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The aircraft flew up to speeds of 1,200mph. DARPA did not reveal which aircraft won the dogfight.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca -2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

AI has a already won in these confrontations

Surface To Air missile made human piloted aircraft obsolete.

All that's needed now are a bunch of missiles, plug into an AI program and let it run by itself.

Why would militaries invest in a billion dollar aircraft piloted by a highly trained aircraft pilot with years of training that cost millions of dollars that is probably paid millions over many years ..... when the pilot and his aircraft can be shot down by a $100,000 missile. If you can't do it with one missile, send three, four or ten, it's still cheaper than matching them with an aircraft and pilot.

Instead of investing in expensive aircraft and pilots, all a defending country can do is just spend the same amount of money and surround their country with anti aircraft missiles controlled by AI systems.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)
[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

How do you deploy manned fighters against an aircraft you can't detect?

Edit: As to not downing the aircraft. That's irrelevant. It wouldn't matter if it's an air to air missile or ground to air...you just fire more.

I can buy thousands of rockets for the cost of a single F22 or F16.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

How do you deploy manned fighters against an aircraft you can’t detect?

Detect and target aren't the same thing. There's various Air Defense platforms that can detect stealth air craft but they lack the resolution necessary to target them. For targetting the launch platform has to be a lot closer.

I can buy thousands of rockets for the cost of a single F22 or F16.

Annnd were back to the Air Defense platforms being hideously expensive. Literally no one can afford enough of them to cover more than a tiny fraction of their air space.

Forget "thousands" of missiles any country larger than a Lichtenstein would to need to buy millions of them along with enough Ground Detection and Launch Stations to cover their entire border. Utterly and totally unaffordable.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 7 months ago

Hurrah Liechtenstein, safest country on planet!

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You understand you need all that equipment to get a manned fighter close enough to engage. At that point firing a barrage of smart missiles is still cheaper.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And what equipment would that be?

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

The big cost would be satellite and radar coverage. We have that already.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Why would militaries invest in a billion dollar aircraft piloted by a highly trained aircraft pilot with years of training that cost millions of dollars that is probably paid millions over many years … when the pilot and his aircraft can be shot down by a $100,000 missile.

  1. Force projection.
  2. It ain't that easy to shoot down stealth aircraft.
  3. Missiles that can successfully shoot down stealth aircraft cost several million dollars each.
  4. Ground launch systems that can target and engage stealth aircraft, like the US Patriot System, are so horrifically expensive that no nation can afford enough of them to cover more than a fraction of its airspace. That means you need aircraft capable of engaging incoming enemy targets.

In short you are hideously naive.

[–] flying_monkies@kbin.social 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It ain’t that easy to shoot down stealth aircraft.

Hell, it's not easy to shoot down non-stealth aircraft

The pilot evaded all six missiles while not being able to deploy any chaff/flare countermeasures.

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[–] GluWu@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

There's also the extreme bottleneck of using a meat bag that dies if it maneuvers too fast or for too long. The limitations of aircraft are not their own strength or materials.