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TikTok is taking the US government to court.

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[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

According to former head engineer for US locations of TikTok, their services are centralized in China to the extent that it probably cannot even run off the US locations alone, and the Chinese owners ByteDance had complete access to everything on the platform including user data and if you believe security experts: your photo library, text message history, contacts list, and information of nearby wireless devices that you've so much as passed by. Also, they're a military partner in China.

That's not a US Corporation in any way, shape, or form. That is espionage. The fact that they announced they won't sell shows that they were never a business operating for profit, it was always about control.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm sure you can link these security experts. Since that would be classed as malware and the industry standard is to write public reports on that stuff.

And saying they aren't like a US corporation because they do some military contracting is fucking hilarious.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Would it be classified as malware? I think people hand over permissions on their smartphone for most or all of those things on a daily basis without a second thought.

The report on the vast extent of data obtained by TikTok was published by an Australian firm called "Internet 2.0" but it's pay to view. Seems pretty substantial, though, since it hasn't been debunked in the 2 years since it was published. It also scored the highest recorded score on Malcore, owned by Internet 2.0, with a 63.1.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Lmao. They're trying to sell a product. They admit on their blog that the reason their score is so high is the trackers. Which are all from other social media companies and an advertiser. Oh and they counted Google Crashlytics.

TIL I learned good app maintenance is considered a red flag.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If they cared about money they wouldn't be threatening to shut down rather than sell.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Internet 2.0 is threatening to shut down?

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ah my apologies I thought you meant TikTok when you said "They’re trying to sell a product." It's a pretty common defence and misdirection on these sort of posts.

If you don't trust Internet 2.0 is telling the truth, then how exactly have they evaded defamation lawsuits? Telling lies that negatively impact ByteDance's operations would be grounds for a lawsuit in all 3 of these countries.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Because launching a defamation suit is a PR disaster for them right now. Just look at you breathlessly repeating unproven accusations from years ago. They hardly need to blow up new ones.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)
  1. Allowing yourself to be defamed is a PR Disaster. Suing the US Federal Government is a PR Disaster.
  2. They could have done it years ago when it hit headlines around the world, too.
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well one of those is required if they want to stay in business and the other one hasn't had much bearing on their US business. So I think it's pretty self explanatory.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It's not. Reports of you being a threat to national security seems to have a lot of bearing when lawmakers are banning you.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We were talking about what TikTok has to do with China, as you seemed to not know how, so you finding their direct obvious ties to China "fucking hilarious" is telling of your intentions.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No that's ByteDance's direct ties. TikTok would be indirect. My intention is to get to the bottom of this but it's constantly just unsourced accusations and conflations. Not to mention excuse after excuse for why we can't just pass an American GDPR. Instead we have to instigate Red Scare 2.0 which is totally not sus.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

ByteDance is not just an indirect tie between TikTok and China, former employees have testified that the TikTok services are centralized in China. The offices in the USA operate like a shell company.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No they haven't. They said they sent head count and engagement data. That's it.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yintao “Roger” Yu said that the CCP had full "supreme access" to all data. SOURCE

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

He left ByteDance 4 years before Project Texas. Even if that was happening then there's no evidence it's still happening. But also how is this any different than the US Government telling Facebook it has to share information?

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Why would the operation that this company was created to carry out no longer be happening, pray tell?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's a lot of assumption for no evidence. You might as well ask how TikTok deals with aliens in Area 51.