Do or do not, there is no try : memes

[–] Denvil@lemmy.one 121 points 4 months ago (2 children)

"Shot an unpopular politician"

Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?

(Yes ik Trump)

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 33 points 4 months ago (4 children)

"Entire nation hates him"

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 50 points 4 months ago

It’s kinda true in the sense that:

One side hates him because he tried to kill their god.
Another side hates him because he missed.
And another side hates him for attempting it in the first place because all it does is make an already very unstable political situation even worse no matter the outcome.

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm guessing it's closer to 190 nations. (Trump, not the assassin)

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[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I mean, define "popular politician" / " unpopular politician." Does the fact that the media constantly shoves all these yahoos in our faces make these political figures popular? Unpopular? It's all corrupt and I hate every mention of ANY politician's names, while some people choose politicians to cheer for like it's a fekkin sports team.

[–] botorfj@lemdro.id 85 points 4 months ago (5 children)

did I really learn about an assassination attempt thru lemmy

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 120 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Isn’t that the point of Lemmy? So you don’t have to rawdog news?

[–] botorfj@lemdro.id 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

yeah i suppose that’s better

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[–] supertrucker@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

Oh, you want your news filtered, but you will happily rawdog Becky who may or may not have Clamidia

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[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 83 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Same, felt weird.

Beyond that, I learned about it via a particularly cold meme.

[–] HaleHirsute@infosec.pub 25 points 4 months ago

I was glad to see that meme to remember the anecdote. Valuable info in these times.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago

For me it was 4chan's technology board /g/ of all places

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago

Happened last night yeah. Ive been stunned there isn't more in the news yet already, but the day is young.

I think TDogs ear got hit?

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago

I learned through KnowYourMeme.

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 59 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There was a time when America could reliably produce assassins who could kill both presidential candidates and even sitting presidents. What the he'll happened? Deindustralization? Too much porn and video games?

[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Radicalization of ideologies is my bet. Radicals on both sides scream that the other side is evil which creates something broken in the easily influenced. Hell there's even some radicals that believe that Trump needed to be killed to stop him. And thanks to this person, Trumps side is only bolstered.

I'm sure the next thing we will see is finger pointing. However whoever is going to read this and wants to hear some wisdom from a fellow random internet stranger; let this guy stand alone. Do not blame the other side or accuse them of wild theories or accusations. If you do go radical, the situation is only going to get worse

[–] refalo@programming.dev 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Why can't we meet in the middle and find a compromise?

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 47 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think you'll see plenty of attempts after this, some inspired by it and others in retaliation. Fun times for the US

[–] magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 28 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Secret service will step up their security after this, so another attempt as close as this is unlikely

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Failed attempts are enough to escalate things. And with enough attempts, some especially against smaller targets might succeed. It's gonna get intetesting

[–] magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I’m pretty sure Secret Service is well aware of this, so they will escalate their security accordingly.

[–] fishos@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The same Secret Service who left one of the only buildings in the area unsecured? Who when told there was a shooter by the crowd, ignored them? Making a lot of assumptions about competency here when that's already directly in question.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 8 points 4 months ago

Damn, did they hire the Secret Service from Uvalde or something?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago

I don't doubt that, I'm sure they're doing their best

[–] fishos@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Umm... Shouldn't the first attempt have been unlikely? This literally proves Secret Service isn't as competent as you believe.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 37 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You are all talking about Abe's assassination, but forgetting this happened

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That act weakened the Japanese Socialist party (center-left), emboldened the far-right, caused copycats and ensured the current party stayed in power for most of the twentieth century.

That's not to say that Asanuma was a scummy maoist and had forced his party to support the terrible war in Asia.

[–] greenskye@lemm.ee 25 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I've honestly been really surprised that this was the only 'real' assassination attempt in recent memory. I was surprised that no one went after Obama, nor Trump after him and Biden after him. The rage was so high, yet it's only now that anyone from either side makes a real attempt.

[–] Thomrade@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm just making a guess here, but there could have been more attempts that were nippedl in the bud early enough that we have never heard of them, because the would-be assaains were sloppier and got caught.

[–] randy@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots#Assassination_attempts_and_plots

You're correct. You'll notice every president in recent history has multiple assassination attempts listed. The bulk of them don't go very far.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago

Hierarchy tends to prevent violence by providing an authority to appeal to. So long as there is some process people can take, in hope of redress, they will choose that instead of just stabbing a motherfucker. This applies to interpersonal conflict with your neighbor, or mass conflict between religious groups, indeed everybody seeing a fat old baby commit high crimes on national television. Even if you feel the odds are abysmal, that can be enough to stop you from grabbing your pitchfork with intent to use it.

Belief in those systems is a finite resource.

[–] Gigagoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

the ö's make this even more amusing, as i can't be sure it was an accidental dick-up instead of a nordic memelord giggling themself to sleep.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The long o (oe or ö) is a sound present in north European languages, and also in many Asian languages, including Japanese.

[–] Gigagoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

am Finnish, so i responded as such. for Japanese, however, you'd use ō instead. that is not an ö. ou is also acceptable.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago

You're right, it should be ou here, not oe.

[–] Arello@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Long o in Finnish is oo, ö is pronounced different and could also be pronounced as long öö.

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[–] RickAstleyfounddead@lemy.lol 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Who's that chad

[+] velox_vulnus@lemmy.ml 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

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[–] bangsnooter@lemmy.zip 16 points 4 months ago

Wikipedia

On 8 July 2022, Tetsuya Yamagami appeared at the northern exit of Yamato-Saidaiji Station, Nara at 11:30 am, where Shinzo Abe was delivering a campaign speech for a Liberal Democratic Party candidate in the upcoming Upper House election. Abe was positioned inside a traffic island of the crossroad, facing away from the train station. Yamagami was situated behind Abe, with a street separating them. Subsequently, Yamagami began to slowly approach Abe, going unnoticed by Abe's bodyguards. Yamagami then discharged a homemade shotgun, seemingly not hitting anyone in the vicinity. Upon hearing the noise, Abe turned his head to look behind him. Yamagami took a few steps forward and fired a second round. Abe immediately displayed signs of severe pain and collapsed to the ground. Abe's bodyguards rushed towards Yamagami and restrained him on the ground.

Yamagami told investigators that his motive had been personal rather than political.[55][56][57][58] After his mother joined the Unification Church around 1991 to 1998,[a][26] she had given the church about 100 million yen (US$720,000), a parcel of land she had inherited from her father, and the house where she lived with her three children; she subsequently declared bankruptcy in 2002. She had continued donating to the church following the bankruptcy. Yamagami's uncle recalled being contacted by Yamagami and his siblings to complain that they had no food at home, electric bills and house rent were often overdue, prompting the uncle to deliver meals and money for living expenses.

Yamagami blamed the Unification Church for his family's financial problems and held a grudge against the group. Researching the church's connections to Abe in the months before the attack, he believed the former prime minister and his maternal grandfather, former prime minister Nobusuke Kishi, spread the church's influence in Japan.

Yamagami is described by some commentators who wrote for The Economist and The Atlantic as one of the most effective political assassins in recent history. The assassination brought the many social issues with the Unification Church under the spotlight again, as well as tumbled the approval of the ruling party. Under the public pressure, the responsible ministry decided to file a dissolution order against the UC with the Tokyo District Court on 13 October 2023, after nearly a year of investigation of wrongdoings.

[–] Paraponera_clavata@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Why was he imperialist?

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I wouldn't call him imperialist, but he repeatedly denied WW2 Japanese war crimes (in particular the Nanking massacre and the use of Korean 'comfort women'). This is the rough equivalent of a German Chancellor denying the Holocaust.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago

I think that's par for the course for Japanese politicians. A lot of them seem to categorically deny all the atrocities.

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

The guy that killed Shinzo Abe.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm not so sure Shinzo Abe was popular.

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