Anon needs some therapy, goddamn.
this post was submitted on 21 Aug 2024
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Make everyone always wear their safety gear, be it in the car, on the bike, at the workplace. Make them. Always. Do not allow anyone to omit anytime, never ever.
Anon could be fucking his happy girlfriend of five years right now if he had followed this simple rule.
Also, never let your passenger put their feet up on the dashboard. Unless they want their lungs punctured by their own tibia.
That sounds fun who wouldn't want that?
Or rest their head near the side curtain airbags. Loads of cars have them now.
But how about RSI from sitting still in the same position for too long?
Easy, just jump out of a moving car every once in a while.
I dated someone a long time ago and when they first got into my car, I waited for them to put their seatvrlt on. They refused. I told them the car isn’t moving until their seatbelt is on, and if they take it off, the car stops.
I used basically the same strategy when my dad first lit a cigarette in my car.
This thing isn't moving an inch if you smoke and I'll stop if you light it again.
Times have changed. They thankfully don't even smoke in their own car anymore.
I vividly remember the hell of road trips with both my parents smoking with the windows up and I'm not dealing with this in my own car or home.
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ATGAT except when you eanna look cool then it's all the gear at times
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holy hell. when i'm behind the wheel, the vehicle does not move before everyone is strapped in.
In my country the driver is liable for passengers not wearing their seatbelt. The fine is around €60 per passenger. Most people just pay this back to the driver, but if somebody decides not to, the driver can't do anything about that.
In my country, the driver is fined either way, and the passenger is also fined if they have a license (and thus should know better). Seems to work well enough
Oof. The double dip.
Other than just not drive. Which is a very valid choice.
If your country has decent public transit ofcourse.
Even then. Dude who refuses can either buckle up, or walk. You don't buckle, we all don't get there. See how you get treating your "friends" like that.
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in my country the passenger is responsible for their own seatbelt if they are over 15. for passengers under 15 it's their parent. if the parent is not present, only then it's the driver.
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Well I don't understand why people don't wear seat belts. Isn't that even illegal? In Germany the driver can be hold accountable for people not wearing the seat belts.
Child mentality. They claim the seatbelt is annoying on the neck or big government things. Perhaps, but being an adult is also about doing what is nessesary for you and your family.
I've even seen people try to say it's somehow more dangerous because of ridiculous anecdotal experience like "Well I knew this guy who got into a massive roll over accident while drunk and he couldn't escape because of his seatbelt". Yeah man the seatbelt was the problem here...
There are some extreme scenarios where this is true, and it gets inflated and conflated when arguing against seat belt laws.
It's all a game of numbers at the macro level, and seat belts save far more lives than they potentially damage. The math has checked out and been backed up over and over and over again for 70+ years and the result is always the same: Seat belts overwhelmingly increase your chance of surviving a car accident.
The edge cases, while there, are not worth risking a surefire death or dismemberment under the vast majority of conditions.
Not that these extreme scenarios are always told from the perspective of the idiot that survived despite not using a seatbelt.
First responders and ER doctors disagree on these accounts. Vehicles are literally designed to collapse around the passengers. That doesn't work if the seatbelt isn't keeping them in the safety zone.
I'm not disagreeing with you in any way, but things like ejecting a person out of a vehicle before it bursts into flames, where they woke up and the vehicle was on fire, and they would have been unconscious and burned alive in other scenarios.
Same with the drowning argument of being unable to get out of the seat belt due to panic.
In every one of these scenarios, it's extreme and the possibility of it happening is so remote it's not worth considering. But it still comes up in the "argument" (speaking from experience arguing with someone who was anti-seat belts for years).
All I was highlighting is that if we're going to be able to argue with the people who believe this stuff, we have to acknowledge the extreme edge case view they hold as theoretically possible under the most absurd conditions; and then that allows us to move forward in the conversation to convince them that the odds of something like that happening to them vs the seat belt saving them are so remote they may as well plan to win the lottery 8 times in a row.
I say this from experience, that's what finally allowed me to break down the walls of my anti-seat belt acquaintance over months/years of arguing. He's wearing a seat belt now, even though he still snarks about it. But it keeps him safe, and deep down, he understands that now because I took the time to acknowledge that his concerns, while theoretically possible, were not real concerns for anyone in the world to think about on a day to day basis anymore than worrying about getting struck by a meteorite would be.
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In the US, the specifics depend on the state. It's often not "primary enforcement", which means you can't be pulled over specifically for that, but it can be added on when pulled over for something else. In some states, yes, the driver can be held responsible for passengers not having seatbelts on. It may also matter if the passenger is a minor.
Primary enforcement of seatbelt laws tends to make it more likely for black people to be pulled over. It's amazing how many good ideas get ruined by racism once you dig into the details.
In the US, it's usually a misdemeanor even for passengers (depends on state though). Considering what's at stake above and beyond a ticket, I chalk it up to garbage risk assessment skills.
Possible case : me. I often forget my seat belt. Fortunately, most people remind me about it and then I immediately fasten it.
The reason is simple. I think I use a car, always as a passenger, like 3 times a year. When I used to drive, it was such an automatic gesture I'd never forget it. But it's so easy to forget when it becomes very rare. Everything is hypnotizing when you enter a car. I'm glad the driver reminds me, but I could be OP's lost one.
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I've been in two crashes where nobody was hurt but probably somebody would have died if they weren't wearing a seatbelt.
I have grown ass adult friends who legitimately think seatbelts are dangerous 😔
How? I would like to entertain myself with their reasons.
There are a handful of situations where the seatbelt kills you. It's a sad reality, but the seatbelt isn't a perfect tool.
The problem is that people don't understand the idea of harm reduction.
The odds of getting injured or killed in any severity of accident goes up without a seatbelt. Even slamming your breaks becomes more dangerous if you're not strapped in. People have been killed in cars, without impact, because they weren't wearing a seatbelt during some sort of high-velocity maneuver.
The few cases of strangulation, or getting trapped in a burning vehicle because you couldn't reach the buckle, are so rare, and there's no way to measure actual lives saved, people don't properly calculate the risk.
But I think some people just don't like being told what to do and will be obstinate about things like safety requirements...
Yeah, a good example is how the injury rate skyrocketed when seatbelts were introduced. Anti-seatbelt people (yes, they exist just like antivaxxers and anti maskers do today) used this to point out that seatbelts were harmful.
Injury rates skyrocketed because fatality rates plummeted. People who would have died were now only injured. But the anti-seatbelters conveniently ignored that second half of the statistic, and only looked at the increased injury rates.
Seatbelts do cause injury (bruising, hematoma, etc) with hard impact but it’s usually a better outcome than being ejected from the vehicle and then having brains ejected from your skull..
The usual "can't get out if you're trapped, the seatbelt causes more injuries in smaller crashes, I knew a guy who got whiplash cause the seatbelt threw him against his seat"
I've tried explaining it multiple times but I quit trying because it's exhausting 😮💨
"I knew a guy who got whiplash cause the seatbelt threw him against his seat"
lmao, I would just say "shoulda worn a helmet".
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Anon just needs to get t boned and hope a girl flies into their car
Sometimes, PTSD almost diagnosis itself.
Yup. Even without a passenger fatality, or driver injury for that matter, an accident like that can still screw your brain up. Anon needs all the therapy.
I have seen multiple accidents but the ones that stick with me is the truck that hit a sign and ejected the driver and passenger onto the highway were they were run over multiple times.
And one where a convertible hit a curb for a light rail flipped and smashed into a pole ejecting the passenger who lived but decapitated the driver still in the car.
Man I would agree that you should always wear your seatbelt because it's probably safer in the heavy metal box but cars are just absolutely death traps waiting for a bad or distracted moment to kill you.
Pick a safe car. Tell people you love them and drive safe.
There's no such thing as a safe car. Sure, you can have large crumple zones, but in a full on crash, it's still a toss of the dice if you make it out alive. You probably didn't mean it that way, but I despise the car industry selling ever-larger monstrosities under the pentence of safety, when all they do is put other people in danger
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There was a trump post above this in my feed which led to me reading this in Trump's voice.
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