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[–] HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 316 points 3 months ago (5 children)

In favor of what? I still have to use control panel because some things are seemingly unreachable by the "settings" menus.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 148 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Yeah. This sounds a lot like some PM type thinks they're gonna get rid of control panel, and they just don't know what all is actually in there.

And not to mention the custom control panel applets hanging around out there from who-knows-what vendors.

[–] cheddar@programming.dev 30 points 3 months ago

I don't think that the PM is wrong. They absolutely can get rid of the control panel. It's the user who will suffer ✌

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[–] throws_lemy@lemmy.nz 52 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

That's M$ intention, to hide some settings from users and lose control of Windows.

[–] HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Right, I forgot, MS doesn't want you to have control what programs are doing or how your computer works. Corporate way or....linux.

I may be technologically challenged but Microsoft has been steadily selling me on linux ever since windows 10.

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[–] Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de 152 points 3 months ago (10 children)

honestly I still cant figure out how to configure a network interface properly without using the old control panel.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 165 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

You literally can't.

There's a ton of stuff you can't do with the new garbage settings.

Let's not even mention that on an operating system called "Windows" you can only have one "window" of settings open. And opening new settings will just replace where you just where. Which is extremely rage inducing.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 3 months ago (16 children)

opening new settings will just replace where you just where

I don't use windows super often anymore, so I don't really have that usecase, but man. Just imagining it makes me annoyed and angry

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[–] superkret@feddit.org 52 points 3 months ago

As admin and tech support, I use the control panel constantly. I use the settings app... for display configuration, I guess?

[–] Curdie@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's not you. There are many things you simply cannot do in the settings app.

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[–] haywire7@lemmy.world 138 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Great. So managing printers, network settings and quickly comparing settings from two places becomes a weird game of screenshots and guessing.

Remote support workers of the world collectively shake their fist in despair.

No way on this planet I will be able to explain the new UI to your average office worker.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's as if they intentionally were making their products unusable for ADHD and especially AuDHD people.

I wonder sometimes, maybe they are. Maybe there's some policy coming from some macchiavellian cokehead in a suit, that people like us spoil their big, important social mechanisms and introduce a measure of chaos they don't want, so we have to be suppressed.

I just don't understand why Windows is such an ADHD torture today. Even XP wasn't.

It really seems sometimes as if they were going out of their way to make it such, not only MS, but also Google, Apple and who not.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Its not good. Control panel is consistent and precise. Settings is not consistent lacks many settings and many are dumbed down

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[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 119 points 3 months ago (13 children)

I have friends who work in IT and would probably slam their head against the wall if they had to deal with Control Panel being removed.

Are Microsoft deliberately trying to make the fabled Year of the Linux Desktop finally become a reality? Because I feel like we're two or three more dumbfuck business moves away from this...

[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I have a PC at home that works perfectly fine. Browses the internet, emulates GameCube and Dreamcast, runs any app I need.

It's not eligible for Windows 11. In about a month MS will just stop supporting my PC, and it will not have the option to be a Windows PC despite still having plenty of service time to offer.

Microsoft is basically forcing that PC to run Linux instead.

[–] AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 31 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Windows 10 is being supported until next October, you've got more than a month. That said, I've been on Linux for just over a month and I'm so much happier with it. I really like KDE Plasma as a desktop environment. I made the leap because I was unhappy with Windows, but at this point I genuinely prefer Linux.

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 105 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Control panel largely accrued content - it is generally navigated via left and right click which works great and is stable. Things don't vanish.

Settings, on the other hand, is left click only navigation mostly. It also changed constantly (usually for the worst) - tutorials written 2 years ago are no longer valid because access to that setting was removed. This makes using settings to fix things a real nightmare.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

But luckily each item has a lot of "maybe you were looking for X or Y" at the bottom since you can't find anything in there. So just click anywhere, and scroll to the bottom and you'll find what you want in 2 or 3 screens.

Unless it's been removed. Then you just ask the resident IA.

Windows is so easy!

I run SuSE btw.

[–] shaggy959500@lemmy.world 87 points 3 months ago (2 children)

RIP. It’s been coming for a while, and Control Panel will likely be on hospice for a few more years, but it will be a sad day when control panel is gone.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 129 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Gone in favor of a less useful interface. Fantastic!

[–] db2@lemmy.world 50 points 3 months ago

It is Windows...

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Gone in favor of ~~a less useful interface~~ Powershell commands. Fantastic!

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago (19 children)

Great, now I'll have to ~~Google~~ Bing for a four-line command when before I could just dig through a few menus.

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[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago (8 children)

No. Don't worry, they moved the controls to the edge browser! Isn't that great 😃? 👍👍👍.

This will bring so many people to Linux and will force so many others to start their own OSes.

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[–] RustyShackleford@literature.cafe 36 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Control Panel will likely be on hospice for a few more years

And I’ll keep visiting Control Panel in hospice. Bite me Microsoft.

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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 61 points 3 months ago (29 children)

Windows "god mode": https://www.howtogeek.com/402458/enable-god-mode-in-windows-10/

What is god mode?

it's simply a special folder you can enable that exposes most of Windows' admin, management, settings, and Control Panel tools in a single, easy-to-scroll-through interface

It's very easy to set this up, and it also works in Windows 11. Even if Microsoft removes access to the normal Control Panel, I seriously doubt this will be taken out.

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[–] kamen@lemmy.world 61 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (16 children)

It'd be fine if 1) everything from Control Panel is implemented and properly working and 2) everything stays consistent (because otherwise, as other folks have mentioned, at one point written tutorials even with screenshots quickly become obsolete). I don't see this happening any time soon.

Maybe instead of that they can start encouraging people to use the command line, although even fewer settings are reachable though there.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Their settings pages are the worst; full of white space, finding what they considered "advanced" settings is usually a pain in the ass, and everything is dumbed down to a mind-numbing extent.

I've hated Settings pages with a passion since they were introduced, and always typed the full .msc I was looking for.

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[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 56 points 2 months ago (5 children)

This is never going to happen fully, because there is a ton of software and also device drivers that hook into the OG Control Panel system and install their own .cpl's there, which are required for that hardware/software to work. The system to support those is going to have to remain in place, otherwise Microsoft is going to have a lot of very angry corporate customers and hardware vendors up their noses in short order.

In fact, this is most likely the exact reason the Control Panel still exists behind the scenes the way it does today in Win10 and Win11. They'll probably go to ever-greater lengths to hide it from home users, but I'd doubt they can actually remove it completely at this point.

In fact, from TFA:

Tip: while the Control Panel still exists for compatibility reasons and to provide access to some settings that have not yet migrated, you're encouraged to use the Settings app, whenever possible.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 2 months ago (3 children)

So in six months, someone will have written a third-party Windows Control Panel.

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 50 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

If they actually move all the settings over to the "new" settings app (it's actually 12 years old now): good.

It's an absolute joke that there are multiple settings apps in windows, with design inconsistency across them, and it being a crapshoot whether the screen you look at will support dark mode or not (can you tell I'm tired of being blinded on evenings by unexpected white windows? Lol).

If they don't move all the settings over: bad.

Yeah they're usually niche, but some of those options are needed!

Since this is Microsoft we're talking about, it's probably going to be the latter, unfortunately. "Oh you want to adjust some network settings? That's not in our settings app, and we've retired the control panel – you actually need to open Run and type ncpa.cpl"

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 44 points 3 months ago

That's okay because Windows will be gone entirely from my PC in a month.

[–] ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works 41 points 3 months ago (6 children)

This doesn't say they're removing it, just deprecating it. I thought it had been deprecated for ages

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[–] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Fine. Next desktop build is linux.

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[–] curry@programming.dev 34 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Didn't they learn that taking away what people grew up with for more than two decades already will result in outraged customers? (Windows 8 - start menu removed and replaced by start screen)

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[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 31 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I work on an application that went through multiple iterations of UIs. Each superseded the previous one and a new admin UI was built into them. The oldest one was using Flash.

Occasionally I still have to drill down through four layers of "open legacy UI here" to get to some obscure, long forgotten setting. Manipulating shit with half-working elements in a VM running a flash-capable browser. Day to day I just go back one iteration though, because the admin UI has everything I need there. Unlike the latest iteration.

Some day we play on killing off the flash UI version completely. We already have planned workarounds in place to manipulate those obscure settings through endpoint calls. Won't be missed. But I'd miss the second to last admin UI that has everything where I need greatly.

This is what ms is killing off now. A good UI in windows where you can find everything. And all it'd have taken to make it better is give it a robust search functionality. No one cares about going back and forth in convoluted loops between sleek UI pages. People that care to manage stuff in windows at depth will be forced into shallow shit.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (5 children)

If I hadn't already migrated to Linux after the insider crapshow, this probably would have forced me off.

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[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

The en-metro-ification continues.

I mean, sticking with a paradigm that existed at least since windows 3.11 (my first version of windows) isn't exactly ideal, entire software stacks are built around it existing.

It's really too bad that Microsoft abandoned Windows Phone, because that is where this UI makes sense. But shoehorning the mistake of windows 8 into everything seems like doubling down on failure.

It would be nice if a competitor entered the space where usability is the goal and be an open source solution.

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[–] Eiri@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago (11 children)

My god, the amount of legacy crap in Windows.

They ought to just start over at some point.

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