I just want a chill class shooter with good movement tech and larger team player numbers
Not a competitive 6v6 hero shooter where everybody moves the same, except for that one ability on cooldown right now
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I wasn't going to play a hero shooter anyway, but fuck this. I just want to go back to arena shooters, server browsers and no stat tracking.
Arena Shooters have tried and tried to recapture the magic but it's just long gone. As soon as Overwatch showed up, the game had changed. Then Quake itself just had to do the same thing with Champions and look where that got them. Then Unreal Tournament turned into Fortnite and that was the last nail in the coffin.
I feel like if any genre changes shooters forever, it was Battle Royales. They exploded in popularity after Fortnite and then when the market was oversaturated, AAA devs switched to "the next big thing" which happened to be hero shooters. But I really can't blame a game or genre for that.
I think the boardrooms at AAA studios changed the game forever by forcing devs to chase that "next big thing" over originality.
Shame on you for saying Fortnite popularized Battle Royals. Player Unknown's Battlegrounds is the one that did it. Hell, before that, Fortnite was a zombie survival game and only added Battle Royal as an alternative mode after the fact
I have over a hundred hours in PUBG so I'm not claiming Fortnite invented the genre but you can't deny that Fortnite isn't the game that made it blow up.
PUBG had no marketability. Gritty gameplay, toxic community, aimed at adults, and an awful name. It was also $30 and PC-only until after Fortnite blew up.
Fortnite was bright and silly and on every platform and F R E E.
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Yup. The first of its kind was the mod for arma 2 and 3. The popularity of that mod led to H1Z1 which also involved player unknown in its BR development.
Only after that did Fortnite come out and capitalize on the existing BR hype that player unknown manifested.
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I'll just stick to my single player, retro revival titles.
I certainly never went to lan parties for the company anyway.
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They also seem to be following CCP censorship rules. Yay.
Edit: What are the downvotes for, its objectively correct.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/marvel-rivals-chinese-censorship-controversy
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What people are missing in the comments is that you can choose to play a bot match if that's what you want. But you CAN'T sign up to play against people and guarantee that that's what you'll be doing. And they are not transparent about it.
That and also penalizing you for disconnecting from Bot matches is wild
If you queue competitve you're guaranteed human players. And no Crossplay. Not the best solution, but yea...
Except when you have players that conciously don't want to play competetive. Playing a single match that doesn't have any impact on any stats / doesn't judge you is different than playing a competetive match that is twice as long, and has tryhards that will flame you for playing your favourite character, when it's not 100% optimal. Also, some people get into the competetive side of games way too deep, up to a detriment. Notebooks with pages of ranking points gained or lost, getting frustrated on losses, even resenting the friends you play with for their skill in a game. Shotcallers that get too deep into it, etc. When you have 3hrs to game a week, you don't want it to be filled with any of that, you want to play like 15 games / rounds and be done with it.
But why? What's the motive behind not just queuing low ranking players with each other?
Well its obviously player retention, but it could be that if they did put them with other low ranks, they mostly would have a bad time and most would quit. Another thought is that the exceptionally low ranked group is very small, and there isn't actually enough of them to allow quick enough queue times without filling out games with bots.
So, that's how ranked play works and only has humans. Problem is, ranked is awful right now. Even in the lowest ranks matches tend to be hopelessly lopsided. I'm not clear on why but it may be streamers and whatnot creating new accounts to stomp on low ranked people.
It's in quick match where they are inserting bots, and there aren't ranks to use.
Would making a rule that new players must play an AI for the first few randomized number of games? That way they could have a chance to gauge the players ability before matching.
Maybe placement matches would help, but if they are intentionally ranking low to stomp on people, I guess they'd throw those matches.
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Most games do this, you can't play ranked matches until you've played non-competitive ones for a while first, and then you play placement matches where your ELO is allowed to move much farther per game so you dont stay buried in low ranks if you dont belong.
Ranked games tend to be thrown off by high skill players in low ranks, and it tends to even out once you get to the top ranks as the skill gap thins.
Being punished for leaving bot matches is the only issue I'd have with this.
The article says that you do indeed get punished for leaving.
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Is this problem? Think it make sense and way to learn more mechanics of game.
I'm conflicted with this. But it's a problem because the game is not clear about it and you can't choose, the game just put 4 people + 2 bots against 6 bots.
I "tried" to get a bot match yesterday after getting 2 loses in a row, playing with things that I normally don't play and not caring too much with the objective. Took 5 loses in a row to get 1 bot match.
For a person to get a lot of bot matches they need a lot of loses, at that point the person is probably better playing against bot to improve a little bit. But I think the game should suggest to the player to do that instead of forcing and hiding that they are playing against bots.
Obfuscation. Corporate figures telling or giving people the option will hurt their feelings so they'll stop playing. A player who quits is no longer a tier two type with the potential to spend money, so they'll only do this if it becomes a PR nightmare that affects their bottom line.
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If I sign up for a match expecting to play against players and get matched with bots I would be upset.
Like most games have options like vs bots or vs players. I think it's a bit ridiculous to not have even that basic control over your game experience. Regardless if you just get crushed.
Statistically, people are more upset when they get crushed by other humans.
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That's unsurprising, I don't bother with multiplayer games at all because always getting stomped so bad you don't even learn how to fucking play isn't worth the time. One assumes they have to come up with some sort of strategy to keep players like me on a pvp only game.
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Makes sense why the game feels soo easy, And i like it this way.
I prefer this over SBMM but at what point does it just become dead gaming theory?
True tbh
It's rather common Knowledge that NetEase does this exact thing in Narala: Bladepoint, so yeah, not surprising, at all.
I also vaguely remember this being a thing in Pokemon: Unite, not sure if that's also a NetEase game.
Pokémon Unite does it sometimes after lose streaks. But not always! It's common in casual modes but much less common in ranked.
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Last time I played Fortnite it was also like this. It was bots + other weak players like you. It felt quite okay, early in the match you got some easy bot kills and later you had some challenge dealing with actual players of your skill level.
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i swear pokémon duel would do the opposite of this. you’d get on a win streak and then suddenly a player with a very generic name and the EXACT counters to your deck fucken SWEEPS your ass with seemingly psychic precision. you could even trick it by switching to a deck with no synergy and just playing like a psycho whenever you got ~5 wins in a row.
i miss that game so much. taken before it’s time o7
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