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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 107 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I'm already not buying it. I have a rule. I'll pay full price for a full price game. That's fine. That's fair. I pay full price, I get full game.

I will also play free to play games that charge small amounts of money to play. That's fair. The game was free, and I am enjoying it. That's fair.

My rule comes into place that I will NOT buy a game that I then need to continually pay for.

GTA 5 has already shifted priority to their online portion of the game. But there's still a solid single player game. But online has CLEARLY been the priority post launch, with no updates or dlc to the offline campaign since release.

Compare this to constant updates and dlc for the online campaign. But there's a catch. GTA states that GTA Online is a seperate game/experience. However, in order to play GTA Online, you need to buy GTA 5. On PS5, I believe the standard non-sale price is STILL $59.99. Keep in mind, this is an upscaled graphics PS3 game that came out in 2013.

So in order to play GTA Online, you gotta pay $59.99, but once you do you're IMMEDIATELY at a disadvantage. Not the fact that you're level 0, but the fact that even if you level up your player, other players are constantly using shark cards. Which are in-game currency that you don't unlock. You buy them. With real world money. Already paid $59.99, but let me just pay another $19.99. Not to win, but rather to not fall behind.

Because if I pay $19.99, and you pay $19.99, we're both on even footing, and we're both out $19.99. However if I pay $19.99, and you don't, I then have an advantage before you even turn your console on.

And rockstar has openly stated that GTA 6 will heavily lean into this EVEN HARDER. It's now a core component of online play, which again, is their main concern with this game.

They'll throw in a single player campaign, but it's just scraps off the bone. The real meat of the game is online. Which again, is pay to stay competitive. After you've already bought the game.

Nooooooooope. From my perspective the only way to win, is to not buy/play at all. This coming from a 41 year old who played the ps1 GTA games as a teenager. So it's not like GTA just isn'tmy thing.

I want to like GTA 6. But rockstar is just giving me the middle finger. So in return I will give back the middle finger.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hate that rockstar has effectively turned a beloved series into a fucking live service game.

[–] addie@feddit.uk 10 points 1 week ago

At least they're fucking up their own series! So much worse when some big publishers buy out a beloved series and fucks it up properly, often never to be seen again. Could be Eidos fucking up Thief, Bethesda fucking up Fallout; EA fucking up Syndicate, Dungeon Keeper, Dead Space, SimCity, Need for Speed, Star Wars: Battlefront, Command & Conquer, Ultima and The Settlers. In fact, just fuck EA.

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

They wanna play with your emotions. It takes years to sink in. Some people never get it.

[–] Gamoc@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Whilst I agree that GTA Online can die in a fire, then have it's remains unfortunately caught up in a series of fires for an eternity, I think GTA online is available separate from GTAV.

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I don't care.

People that want to spend that much on a game can, and I can wait until it's the right price for me (£12-20). I'm patient enough, there's plenty of good games in the meantime.

Bonus: it'll probably run like butter on a Steam Deck ~~3~~ 2: Episode 1 😉

I just hope they don't push that shitty rockstar login/launcher crap anymore, and I hope the bullshit online stuff is kept well away from the single player game.

[–] kusivittula@sopuli.xyz 29 points 1 week ago

oh there absolutely will be a launcher. all of their games since iv require login.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I just hope they don't push that shitty rockstar login/launcher crap anymore

I am done buying trash...

[–] bruhsoulz@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Literally can't play my legitimate gta5 epic games copy on Linux so I had to pirate it.. Pirate a game that I own...

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I am of the mindset that it isnt piracy if you own it. I have goldeneye in the attic on cardtridge, I also have it on my pc as is my right. I also support piracy though.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

Agreed. I just don't buy anything with launchers. All my friends say RDR2 is an incredible game, and I believe them.

But I've had enough ballaches with Far Cry 3, Civ VI, and GTA:V that I'm out. I've accepted I won't play that game. No more launchers.

Annoyingly, they now often add them months or years after the game releases, so you often don't even get a choice (cough GTA:V cough).

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

2k removed theirs on civ6 and no launcher on civ7

I wonder why but I will take it

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Really? That's great news

I'll have a go of Civ6 again and pick up Civ7 plus all the DLC in 5 years when it's £4 lol

[–] Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

Just pirate rdr2 if you really wanna play it.

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[–] Grunt4019@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They recently updated their anti cheat for GTA V such that the game doesn’t work on the steam deck anymore. I’d guess they will do the same for GTA VI.

Even more reason to not get the game.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

By the time I care it'll be ten bucks or given away for free like 5. I'm not into GTA online so the single player experience will only improve over time.

I'm getting to a point I'd describe my enthusiasm for big games as "yAAAwn."

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What single player experience? That is going to be a footnote going forward.

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[–] Tenkard@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This week I bought and finished two little indie gems, for the price of 5.89 + 4.99. They were great, even if one was a bit short, but I also have around 500 hours on another indie game. Thanks to alpha beta gamer on YouTube i discovered there's a lot of nice games which focuses on story and mechanics more than graphic. I hope they price Gta VI at 100 $ and it flops.

[–] vane@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Titles of those games or it didn't happen.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

not who you're asking for, but 'Mining Mechs' was pretty fun but grindy at the end.
Infact it's so small only 1 guy made it and in my review I said "if the frog guy isn't in the sequel im not getting it" as a joke BUT THE DEV RESPONDED AND SAID HE ADDED IT 😭😭

I have bought the sequel but haven't gotten around to playing it yet, but one day I'm gonna get to the point of finding that frog.

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[–] Tenkard@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Small indie games:

Proximate and Security: The Horrible Nights

500 hours game: Hero's Hour (I play a bit almost every night before sleeping on my steam deck)

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[–] Piatro@programming.dev 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ok hear me out. I'm a book author, I write a book and try to sell it for £100 while all my peers are selling books at 60 or 70. I spend the most money imaginable making my book. It's quite possibly the largest book in existence thanks to the effort of me and 5000 other people. I lie awake at night worrying that we'll never make back the money we've spent on it.

Wait what's this? Some team of less than 10 people has written a 3-page book and sold it for 2.50? And people are... Buying it?! But why? Look at the size of my book, clearly it must be better because it's so big, so fancy, so expensive! Every letter cost me millions! I read the 3-page book. It doesn't have money dropping from each letter like mine. It has a beginning, middle and end but mine has 500 acts each more expensive than the last. Surely it's not that good... It's pretty great actually. I have learned nothing from this experience, even though it's happened a hundred times. I will still make more money than entire countries, somehow.

[–] Syd@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago

I'm not an expert here but I've read your story. I think you should try writing simpler, well thought out books.

Congratulations on your success though!

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 34 points 1 week ago

And I have hope the industry will start treating its workers well and its customers fairly.

Looks like we'll all be disappointed.

[–] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'll put it on my steam wishlist and buy it when it's $20 or less.

I'm still waiting for Elden Ring and BG3, there's plenty of games to be played, I don't need to get it day one.

I also get the advantage of not buying a buggy game that's half finished. It'll be cheaper and better if I wait, often with a bunch of the extra paid DLC included.

[–] kippinitreal@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I seriously doubt there'll be meaningful DLC and that the story will be long/entertaining. See the critically acclaimed RDR2,has no big DLC. I doubt it'll ever come down to $20

I suspect it'll be a vehicle to push GTA Online 6 or whatever. Even with that, it'll still be $100. I also doubt it'll come to steam till 5 years down the line. These are usual Rockstar & 2K shenanigans.

Not being cynical, being (relatively) realistic. Rockstar has a track record of demanding exorbitant prices & fans paying them.

[–] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't HAVE to play the game. If they don't price it in a way that I'll buy it, then I just won't buy it.

I've never bought a lot of games, heck I don't buy MOST games. I buy games that I'm interested in, when they're priced in a way that seems reasonable to me. There's plenty of companies (and individuals) out there who are selling me what I want, for the price I would pay for them.

[–] kippinitreal@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Most consumers aren't reasonable consumers like you though. Peer pressure & curiosity is one helluva draw.

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 week ago

I bet it will still be stuffed to the gills with buying things using real money, and the grind will be intentionally miserable to force people to take the shortcut.

[–] mPony@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

I guess gamers really are walking dollar signs, according to all these folks.

I'm sure it'll be free from Epic Games in like 4 or 5 years like every other game I've been playing recently, so meh.

Bleed them impatient whales, I guess?

[–] IronJess@lemmy.today 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

At that point people should refuse to buy it until it hits 70 or 60. They are going recouperate their investment unless the game is trash.

[–] donuts@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Good luck trying to convince gamers not to buy a (insanely marketed) game. Remember MW2?

[–] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I want to state for the record that I was one who boycotted MW2 and stuck to my guns. I have not bought a single CoD game since. I played Warzone (free) with friends when it was new, until it became a bloated mess that highly incentivized buying CoD.

I am not the norm. That boycott was a total failure and in one swoop the publishers knew they could call our bluff. As gaming has branched out and become a household staple there is no such thing as "gamers" anymore as a tech savvy class. We are just regular people. Regular people are dumb and easily manipulated.

I'm just happy to see the rise of indy PC gaming because we now have actual good games to choose from and I never have to support the AAA clowns again.

[–] quixotic120@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Rockstar are scumbags

Never drop prices, their sales are minimal unless the game is ancient, and they do digital only now

Plus the whole “remaster a game by turning up the resolution and frame rate then charging you 50 dollars” nonsense. In my day we called that a “settings menu option”

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

It would have been considerably better if that was all they had done. Preferable even, compared to what we ended up with.

The GTA remasters are shit because they tried to actually remaster them, the contracted company wasn't given enough time, they sold like hotcakes anyway, so Rockstar kicked the remaster devs to the curb because they got the money they wanted anyway.

At least the RDR port was just a port.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Fuck that, <$20-30 or nothing. I'm not playing online, so I'm not wasting most of the cost of the game to be ignored by the dev. Fuck rockstar for turning gta5 into a live service game and entirely ignoring the single player experience.

[–] eric5949@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

I know everybody here thinks if they raise the prices of games to $100 it won't work, I can assure you it will. We'll complain, but your neighbor will just blame inflation and Joe Biden while he forks out $100.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've played enough of them that I'm kinda bored of them. I probably only did 10% of the last one. They can ask whatever they want, but I won't be buying until it's probably around $20-$30.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 10 points 1 week ago

So they think if GTA6 is worth $100, then their latest climb the towers, fill the map, Ubislop title will also be worth $100?

Good luck with that thinking.

Plus Rockstar don't need to charge $100 for their game because it will likely sell 200 million copies over the next two gens.

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[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It’s surprising that games are getting cheaper compared to the cost of living. If you take into consideration the fact that games are becoming more expensive to produce, I really don’t understand it.

Gaming is way cheaper for me than it was during the ps2 or ps3 era.

Still, I don’t want games to become more and more ambitious and cost more and more. So, if I get GTA6, it’s gonna be at a reasonable price, maybe even second hand since I don’t need to directly support Rockstar.

[–] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Less physical media, devices, real tangible products and assets. More online intangible products, assets. You can decide if it's good or bad. I think it's one thing that'll change manufacturing and global resource issues long long term for the better less single use BS. But also it will if not regulated allow even more ultra wealthy individuals to multiply their wealth. Furthering the divide. First comes the shit end of the spectrum then eventually the good follows after the shit product era.

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