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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/30934764

The “privacy-first” company surprised its user base when CEO Andy Yen lauded Trump on social media.

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[–] menemen@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)
[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 15 hours ago

The fact that a privacy company based in a non five eyes country is even praising a government - especially one like the US - is a red flag.

Nevermind the fact that they claim Republicans are anti big tech while being surrounded by tech CEOs...

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 37 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Cancelled my Proton subscription citing this as the reason. Hope others do the same. This administration is not normal and relations should never be normalized with them.

[–] karpintero@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Yep, did the same. Started using Tuta for email, solid privacy and UI, app available on F-Droid, and the bonus for me was them being powered by renewables.

The language in the tweet was telling, i.e party of the "little guys" and tagging the president for visibility. You can't turn a blind eye to all the other destabilizing things this admin is doing just because they made 1 semi-competent cabinet pick (which should be the baseline expectation).

[–] m105@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Planning to do the same, but first I have to find an alternative for my mail, probably I will try a self hosted mail server for a while

[–] quokka1@mastodon.au 2 points 1 hour ago

@m105 @Fizz there's quite a few Swiss mail providers that may be of interest. Self-hosting mail can be a pain as those IPs tend to have a lower threshold for getting blocked/blacklisted. And make sure all your SPF, DKIM etc is fully configured.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I believe them. They’ll praise whomever is in power. Neutral opportunists.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

That's not a good thing though.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

Correct. It’s bad, whether the Dems or the GOP are in power. It’s not suddenly bad now.

[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

I may be too Roman, but I will never trust a Swiss.

[–] Spazz@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 15 hours ago

"while spewing right wing propaganda"

FTFY

[–] vastard@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I’m in a pickle. Got proton and my own domain for email so I would be able to make an easy switch… but now I have masked emails for dozens if not hundreds of account logins.

[–] Godort@lemm.ee 153 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"We're not liberal or conservative, we're a secret third thing!(conservative)"

[–] Neon@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago (5 children)

They're swiss.

We have more parties in our equivalent of the presidential office than you have parties in total.

I have huge problems with this notion that you have to be either democrat or conservative. They don't even cover 50% of the opinions I, a green-liberal (actual liberal, not US-definition), hold.

You're absolutely able and allowed to have your own opinion different from what any party official says.

[–] __nobodynowhere@lemm.ee 14 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

They were commenting on American politics though. Swiss parties are irrelevant. Supporting Trump is a crazy position no matter what your nationality is or what parties exist in that country.

[–] lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de 57 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

When commenting on US politics, they should be aware of US political realities though. When taking position relative to US politics, they should be aware of that. At the very least, they should comment that they're progressive or something along the lines of "Our political orientation isn't represented in US politics" to acknowledge that, like you did.

But when your CEO endorses Republicans, pretending you're neutral isn't a good look.

[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 18 hours ago

Don't forget, Swiss Neutrality is the special kind of neutrality that lets them store gold bullion made from Jewish tooth fillings.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 37 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes but swiss people can still be absolutely piece of shit human beings. They proved that in WWII by helping fund the Nazis directly. Swiss people also aren't immune from rampant US party propaganda. You aren't magical, psychologically different humans than the rest of the world.

Publicly supporting an openly fascist dictator, whatever "political party" they are on, someone who directly opposes the stated mission and values of the company, means that they are piece of shit humans who cannot be trusted with our data because they will just lie with what they do with it just like how they lied to us about their company values.

[–] Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (4 children)

Saying someone is swiss isnt the defense you want it to be considering that the swiss helped harbor nazi wealth.

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[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They vote for whoever helps them get paid the most.

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[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 108 points 1 day ago (9 children)

“Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.”

I don't believe that they haven't heard of Lina Khan.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 15 hours ago

I'm sure Elon Mush will get rid on that, though.

[–] lksaar@lemmy.sdf.org 54 points 1 day ago

Yes, big fan of Lina Khan, I worked with her in 2020 on the House report on antitrust (the House was controlled by Democrats back then). I've discussed this elsewhere, but certain events in 2022 made it very clear that further progress on antitrust was unlikely under Democratic leadership. You can read more about the backstory here: https://time.com/6243256/schumer-kills-antitrust-big-tech-bills/

his reddit account is pretry active if you want to read bad takes

[–] sudneo@lemm.ee 16 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

They did, they even worked together in the past.

See https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_politics_and_proton_a_message_from_andy/m7psmzx/

Quote for those who don't want to reddit.

Yes, big fan of Lina Khan, I worked with her in 2020 on the House report on antitrust (the House was controlled by Democrats back then). I've discussed this elsewhere, but certain events in 2022 made it very clear that further progress on antitrust was unlikely under Democratic leadership. You can read more about the backstory here: https://time.com/6243256/schumer-kills-antitrust-big-tech-bills/

Edit: I see someone else already posted it. I will leave it here even if it's a duplicate for future self-shame.

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[–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 66 points 1 day ago

This is what a kleptocratic oligarchy looks like folks. Suck up to the big man and he'll let you fleece the joint.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 15 hours ago

Capitalism -> Fascism

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 88 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (12 children)

This is not an ad
Enter email to receive emails

I disagree, Mr Website.

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Just turn noscript on and the popup doesnt show up.

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[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (20 children)

I've been looking in to degoogling and was considering Protonmail before this. Does anybody know of a good alternative? Espeically one that lets you have multiple email addresses?

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 19 hours ago

Mailbox.org

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I bit the bullet this month & bought a domain so I can assign mail handling and change providers without changing my email address. Currently using https://purelymail.com/ because they're $10/year for as many addresses & domains as you want "within reason." It's apparently just one guy with some AWS instances, but it was very straightforward to set up.

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[–] othermark@lemm.ee 21 points 1 day ago

Eww I stepped in shit

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