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[–] RangerJosey@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

From them perhaps.

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago

Sounds to me like Amazon is reducing the value proposition of their product. For me, additional roadblocks to being able to enjoy something they way I want when I have paid for it reduces the value of the product itself.

For example, if a DRM free book in an standards compatible format costs $20, then the DRM version I can still download for offline viewing is worth $10. The DRM version I can't download is now worth more like $1-$5 depending on how badly I would want to read it while still supporting the author.

And yes, ebooks from the major sellers aren't worth much to me and I rarely rent (because you're not really buying) them.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As someone who likes to have a fallback way of purchasing digital content that I can remove DRM from, this annoys me.

I can still purchase mp3 and flac files from various online retailers, and I can rip bluray for my movies and tv shows, but now I need a new place to purchase ebooks that are downloadable. Anyone have any recommendations? The first few independent retailers i've found seem to require their own apps.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago

Kobo, Barnes & Noble, ebooks.com

[–] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf 19 points 1 day ago

Here's my purely capitalistic problem with Amazon:

A decade+ ago, I realized that major brands were using the site as their outlet store. I'd buy a pack of socks, and they'd be hideously deformed. I'd buy a few pants for work, one pair would be too small, one too large, and one would fit just right. I'm not fucking Goldilocks.

The final straw for me was when my coffee maker broke. I ordered a new one via same day shipping, which at the time had a minimum order of something like $50. The coffee maker did not cost quite enough, so I added something random to the order so that my same day shipping would be free. Ultimately, the coffee maker arrived late (i.e. not the same day) and the decanter was broken.

When I contacted Amazon about the issue, the agent said they could reship, but they wouldn't send it same day so for that specific item it was going to take 3 - 5 days to arrive. They also tried to hassle me with a straight up return, telling me I had to take it to a UPS store, which at the time was 30+ minutes away.

Ultimately, I pulled a Karen and told them to cancel my Amazon Prime, which they did. Only problem is, I was 2 or 3 months into the year long subscription and assumed I'd get a pro-rated refund. I did not. When I got back in touch with customer service, they told me that Amazon adds up the value of the "free" shipping I received, the rental value of the movies and shows I watched on Prime, and the value of all the other services included with Prime and if that total exceeds the remaining value of the Prime subscription, then no refund.

They basically stole almost a year of Prime from me with no recourse.

Scum company. I got a lot of hate for saying this back in those days. But at least now, a decade+ later, people are finally starting to wake up. Not everyone, obviously. But at least I don't get hateful responses and DMs quite as much as I used to.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

library genesis. anna's archive.

chances are, its there.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's been a while since I've heard about libgen and aa - and actually i'm not sure how they operate with direct downloads of copyrighted material? I find my ebooks through more conventional p2p means, but i've always just assumed that was necessary to avoid sudden takedowns

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

what is your p2p method, out of curiosity?

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I get my linux distros via torrent networks, mostly

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

any good trackers for good linux iso availability?

with torrenting i sometimes can't find some more obscure distros i'm looking for...

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As a rule I don't announce my trackers publicly so they can continue existing as my trackers, but the one I use mostly is small-rodent themed.

I'll DM you

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 23 hours ago
[–] Schorsch@feddit.org 96 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"your" ebooks. – You never owned them in the first place. And if buying isn't owning, questionably acquired ebooks aren't stolen.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Check if it’s available on your library website first, for the sake of the author.

[–] yenahmik@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I download books from my library to my kindle. It goes through Amazon though, so I assume I am also impacted by this BS.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

It shouldn’t. The DRM is on the Amazon book file format. The books I get from my library are usually epub format.

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Even after years and years of this being discussed, it shocks me how many people keep dropping money into services which force them to own nothing.

Convenience is a helluva drug.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It depends, sometimes you can "buy" digital ownership from these places in the form of DRM-free files. If you are able to download the DRM-free file and make a reliable backup of it, then I could call that actual ownership. This is how I approach my music and ebook libraries. I don't do subscriptions for streaming anything but TV.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

True, though such services are in the extreme minority at this point.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Bandcamp is great for music downloads

[–] const_void@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

Fuck Amazon. Delete your account.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I pulled down the eight Kindle books I actually bought, about half of the books in my Kindle library are public domain, stuff like old Sherlock Holmes novels, some FAA handbooks, etc.

Next I guess is Audible. Over the years Audible has offered a lot of free trials with a complimentary audiobook several times, and I've amassed a bit of a collection. Including the edition of The Martian narrated by R.C. Bray you can't get anymore. Those I'd like in mp3 format if I can get it.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

some FAA handbooks

Just light reading...

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I'm a flight instructor, so...yes.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

GetLibation.com to download and convert your Audible library

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[–] pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Unaffected since I've never participated in the Kindle ecosystem. I've been gifted a few Kindles but never was on board with that walled garden. Fuck Amazon.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Up until fairly recently, you could just drag and drop files onto the Kindle with a usb. I've had my first generation Kindle for almost 15 years now and it still works. Just download an .epub file, convert it to .mobi with Calibre, and drag and drop it over to the Kindle.

I have a newer one too, that I got a couple of years ago as a gift.

The trick is just disable the wifi and never let it communicate with Amazon servers. They will mess with your settings and push secret updates that remove features. For example, it could "sync" your books with your Amazon account if you naively log into your Amazon account and that literally results in you not being able to remove items from your Kindle without logging into your Amazon account on your computer and going through a million menus. It won't let you do it from the Kindle, even if you're offline.

But if you just never let it connect it to the internet at all, you're fine.

Although the new Kindles now require a special Amazon software to copy files over (because of "convenience") and it won't communicate with the usual protocol so you can't drag and drop like you could for the last 15 years.

So yeah, don't buy a Kindle. at least not a new one.

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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

One more reason not to buy ebooks from Amazon.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

I’m glad I started my Amazon boycott earlier. I could’ve lost a lot more e-books.

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

I wonder if this is a response to someone jailbreaking all kindles ever the other day

Fuck kindles, get a different brand of ereader that just runs stripped android

[–] IonAddis@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Some have speculated it's complying in advance with stealth editing of books to remove whatever content has been decided to be censored. If you can't download the original copy and keep it, they can change the one you have and make it seem like the original text never existed.

[–] mac@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Lol, my girlfriend just had all of her sideloaded books removed from her kindle today. She just opened her kindle and they were gone

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

Book burning

[–] LostXOR@fedia.io 13 points 2 days ago

George Orwell's 1984 becomes more of a reality every day.

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[–] Geodad@lemm.ee 16 points 2 days ago

I borrow them from my library through the Libby and Hoopla apps. If I want to support the author, I’ll buy a copy through some other means. Directly from them, if possible.

[–] Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

I think with applications, like Calibre its relatively painless to save the whole library, if someone is ready to jump ship. Now its the perfect time.

I personally use a Kobo without the online features, which is fantastic, but there are many great Kindle alternatives without the corporate spyware bullshit.

[–] Brewchin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Calibre (Kindle) and Libation (Audible) are essential backup tools.

Y'know, in case their servers are down...

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[–] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

🤣🤣🤣🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Very happy I got a PocketBook instead of the store locked alternatives

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Good thing then that I never, ever in my entire life have given Amazon a single cent, nor will I.

[–] KingGordon@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

Honestly? That’s pretty amazing.

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[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

I was able to export (you'll have to remove DRM via plugin) all of my Kindle ebooks into epub using "Method 2a" of this guide:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=361503

It's can be a massive pain with some metadata issues, but at least it works.

I've been meaning to do this for years, but have always been too lazy.

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