Technology

They want to do this so they can feed their ai models.

This isn’t as forward thinking as you’d want it to be.

For as much as they are abused, “IP laws” protect small and individual inventors, writers, composers, etc.

With no patent, copyright or trademark protections the billionaires will own or bury everything.

What is needed is to bring the laws back to their intended purpose.

... Delete... all... IP law?

So... just literally make all piracy legal, switch all gaming and tv show and movie production/consumption... to an optional donation model?

Fuck it, why not.

I am both an avid pirate and have a degree in econ, wrote papers as an undergrad on how to potentially reform the DMCA... and uh yeah, at this point yeah no one has any fucking idea how any thing works, everyone is an idiot, sure fuck it, blow it all up, why not.

Talking about "IP" as if it were a single thing confuses any debate. Copyright is not a patent, which is not a trademark - they do different things.

Software patents actually should be deleted. It is impractical to avoid accidentally infringing as there are multiple ways to describe the same system using totally different technical descriptions. Copyright for software was enough.

It's not a surprise that all these techbros who want to steal everything and feed it into their AI machines without paying a single fucking cent to the original creators all the sudden want to get rid of IP. They can lead by example by submitting their IP into the public domain.

Or maybe they're just massive frauds?

I’m cool with it. I think we should require almost everything to be public domain. But I think those personally contributing to the public domain should be recognized, and no one should be allowed to get rich off of it.

"Delete all IP law" say people who have never created anything of any value to humanity.

The libertarians want everything for free. Interesting.

The current US trade war is the perfect opportunity for some other country or countries to "right-size" their IP laws.

Hollywood wanted "lifetime plus 900 years" or whatever. So, whenever the US negotiated a trade deal it said "you only get tariff-free access to our markets if you give Hollywood lifetime plus 900 years in your country too."

With section 1201 of the DMCA this also meant that other countries had to accept that you could only repair your John Deere tractor if you paid Deere for the privilege. Or that HP could prevent you from using any ink but theirs in your printer, allowing them to make printer ink the most expensive liquid on the planet.

If the US is no longer abiding by the terms of their trade agreements, other countries should no longer honor these absurd IP treaties.

Why not get rid of the patent trolls, the monopolies shelving useful technologies through patent loopholes, the ... Oh I see the tech billionaires again wanting to uproot a system because loopholes are just too much effort now.

I hate agreeing with these assholes, but I do in this case. IP/patent law is explicitly designed to stifle competition. At most, it should last a few years (if you agree with the "recoup the cost of innovation" argument). Innovation will be done for the sake of innovation if there's competition though. If your opposition innovates and you don't, you're going to be destroyed. The exception is when they agree to not compete, which is already illegal though not enforced as strongly as it should be.

Yes, I’m fully aware we want to abolish IP law for different reasons but still, I’m onboard.

Dorsey got fired from his own company by the board for incompetence.

This would be disastrous for actual manufacturing because a patent is the only thing that makes it worthwhile to spend a bunch of money upfront to develop a new technology. Unlike with software where you don't have nearly as much up front capital investment to develop something, it costs millions of dollars to get a manufacturing process up and running and in a good enough state to where it can actually work out financially. Without patents, your competitor can just take all of that work and investment and just copy it with the benefit of doing it right the first time, so they're able to undercut you on cost. The alternative is that everyone is super secretive about what they're doing and no knowledge is shared, which is even worse. Patents are an awesome solution to this problem because they are public documents that explain how technologies work, but the law allows a monopoly on that technology for a limited amount of time. I also feel that in the current landscape, copyright is probably also good (although I would prefer it to be more limited) because I don't want people who are actually coming up with new ideas having to compete with thousands of AI slop copycats ruining the market.

TL;DR- patents are good if you're actually building things, tech bros are morons who think everything is software.

Honestly, I'm a fan of abolishing IP law too, but for some reason I suspect the implementation of that they support is very different than the one I support

i'd also like to delete all billionaires

I think ip laws are important but need to be changed. One example are things that are funded by tax dollars. They can’t own the ip of something we funded even if partially funded. Maybe let them hold the ip until they recoup their cost.

I also think that it is OK for companies to have ip, but it needs to be shorter. Like, they get 10 years or they earn 10x their cost on developing it.

Im not saying my exact ideas are perfect, but just an example of how ip should not last for as long as it does.

Oh no, this is so... good idea. Yarr! Pirate Party approves.

Musk is out to delete all laws that don't benefit him, and replace them with harsh private rules that are not accountable to the people.

Disney has entered the chat

If Elon agrees with anything… run.

Delete all internet protocol law

A real nuisance for all those AI datasets, huh?

That's probably better than what we have now, but still very short of ideal. Here's my proposition:

• keep trademark law as-is
• cut patents to 5-7 years, with a one-time extension if the holder can demonstrate need
• cut copyright to 14 years (original 1790 Copyright Act duration), with a one-time explicit extension, approved based on need
• have existing patents and copyright expire at their original term, the above (for works patented/copyrighted within the term), or half the above (for works copyrighted outside the term), whichever is shorter

That would solve most of the problems while keeping the vast majority of the benefits.

Now that it interferes with me I'm against it. As soon as it's absence causes me any grief I'll be for it again.

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