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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/34873574

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[–] ulterno@programming.dev 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In that case, make sure the judge gets to watch 4x 10 minute ads for every 30 minutes of watching anything in 720p after having paid in full for the highest tier 4K subscription plan.

The wealthy people will just pay to have the ads removed.

As always, this law doesn't exist to benefit workers like you and me. It exists to benefit our rulers and should be another example of how government representatives do not represent their populace.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This is grounded in the assertion that a website’s HTML/CSS is a protected computer program that an ad blocker intervenes in the in-memory execution structures (DOM, CSSOM, rendering tree), this constituting unlawful reproduction and modification.

Dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard of.

Will they make Reader Mode in browsers illegal, too?

What about "dark mode" or "resize font" when the website doesn't offer those accessibility features?

Will they make the "mute" function on browser tabs illegal, since it modifies the website author's intention to play audio upon page load?

I will continue to block ads, spyware, trackers, unwanted elements, popups, and social media links, "illegal" or not.

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

This is exactly it. It has always been up to the browser to decide how to render a website. There have always been differences. The idea that a browser can honour or ignore parts of the content has always been part of it.

If anything should be illegal, it should be websites 's constant attempts to bypass user preferences. Some of that shit is plain malware.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 10 points 2 days ago

We are all criminals on this blessed day.

[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You can make ad blockers illegal, but you can't actually enforce it unless you have a dystopian totalitarian government with a secret police to track down anyone using one. Does Germany have that?

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 days ago

Working on it

[–] jnod4@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At what point do we just redo the web? I'm thinking Gemini but with more geo cities

I'm already getting into self-hosting.

It's surprisingly easy, and can be done with a VPN that has port forwarding.

Wouldn't be surprised with how shittifed the web is becoming that we end up with alternatives to DNS since it requires forwarding on port 80.

[–] manxu@piefed.social 65 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

I speak German legalese (don't ask) so I went to the actual source and read up on the decision.

The way I read it, the higher court simply stated that the Appeals court didn't consider the impact of source code to byte code transformation in their ruling, meaning they had not provided references justifying the fact they had ignored the transformation. Their contention is that there might be protected software in the byte code, and if the ad blocker modified the byte code (either directly or by modifying the source), then that would constitute a modification of code and hence run afoul of copyright protections as derivative work.

Sounds more like, "Appeals court has to do their homework" than "ad blockers illegal."

The ruling is a little painful to read, because as usual the courts are not particularly good at technical issues or controversies, so don't quote me on the exact details. In particular, they use the word Vervielfältigung a lot, which means (mass) copy, which is definitely not happening here. The way it reads, Springer simply made the case that a particular section of the ruling didn't have any reasoning or citations attached and demanded them, which I guess is fair. More billable hours for the lawyers!

[Edit: added "The way I read it, coz I am not 100% sure, as explained later.]

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

and if the ad blocker modified the byte code (either directly or by modifying the source), then that would constitute a modification of code and hence run afoul of copyright protections as derivative work.

Insanity - modifying code that runs on your machine in no way is even remotely related to copyright.

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[–] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I wouldn't call it fair, this is a clear cut case of copyright law abuse and they shouldn't be able to make dumb stuff up and waste everyones time. This shouldn't even be a case.

The company is also shady: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_Springer_SE

[–] manxu@piefed.social 18 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Honestly, a lot of modern copyright law is very shady. You can get in major trouble for ripping a CD or DVD? That sounds insane. And what about not being allowed to repair your own tractor? Do you remember the baby dancing to some music, that was then DMCA-ed away?

My favorite is still the absolutely bonkers almost 100 years on copyrights. That has absolutely nothing to do with "the Progress of Science and useful Arts," everything with lining the pockets of copyright holders.

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[–] Filetternavn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 237 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

This is truly dystopian. A ruling in Springer's favor here could imply that modifying anything on a webpage, even without distribution, would constitute a copyright violation (EDIT: only for material in which the copyright holder does not grant permission for the modification; so not libre licensed projects). Screen readers for blind people could be illegal, accessibility extensions for high contrast for those visually impaired could become illegal, even just extensions that change all websites to dark mode like Dark Reader could become illegal. What constitutes modification? Would zooming in on a website become illegal? Would translating a website to a different language become illegal? Where does this end?

This needs to be shot down.

[–] nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 67 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Dystopian, yes

Also Fascist

Something we never want to see in German politics in particular

[–] Filetternavn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I don't see a reason to have a preference for a specific geographic region to not be influenced by fascism. Fascism should not be instituted anywhere, in any scenario. Unfortunately, it's on the rise globally, and I'd personally prefer it not be present anywhere at all, not just in an area in which it has had previous influence.

[–] nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's like cancer.

It's never good. But when it's already taken hold once, you want to be extra vigilant.

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[–] Delusion6903@discuss.online 33 points 3 days ago

New ubo feature: if page does not grant permission to block ads then entire page is blocked.

When I come across a paywall that is not circumvented by simple script blocking I don't even bother to try anymore and I remove these suggestions from my feed.

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[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago (10 children)

How can it be illegal? Makes no sense whatsoever.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

How? Simple. A parliament of sort writes the law, it gets accepted. Then, the thing, whatever it is, is illegal.

It have no bearing on your ability to use the thing, of course. However, people providing the thing, people that are found out of using the thing, and people that facilitate using the thing are now easier to arrest.

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[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 40 points 3 days ago

The copy of the web browser is mine, the data I've downloaded is mine, I can do what I want with it.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 75 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Axel Springer says that ad blockers threaten its revenue generation model and frames website execution inside web browsers as a copyright violation.

This is grounded in the assertion that a website’s HTML/CSS is a protected computer program that an ad blocker intervenes in the in-memory execution structures (DOM, CSSOM, rendering tree), this constituting unlawful reproduction and modification.

This is complete bullshit thought up by people who have no idea how computers work. It's basically the failed youtube-dl DMCA takedown all over again. The (final?) ruling basically said that website owners cannot tell people how to read their websites.

BTW, Axel Springer products are the equivalent of FOX in America and they are often embroiled in lawsuits against them. Just saying.

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Ad blockers do literally the reverse, they don't inject anything, they sit on the outside and prevent unwanted resources from loading.

Also it's fully legal for the end user to modify stuff on their own end. And the information in the filter about the website structure is functional, not expressive - no copyright protection of function.

To claim copyright infringement for not rendering a website as intended due to filters also means it would be infringement to not render the website correctly for any other reason - such as opening the website with an unsupported browser, or on hardware with limited support, or with a browser with limited capabilities - or why not because you're using accessibility software!

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[–] Auth@lemmy.world 129 points 3 days ago (2 children)

EU please stop, you were suppose to save us from American Tech abuse not join them.

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 52 points 3 days ago (9 children)

It's a monkey's paw situation. Sure, the EU will protect us from American tech abuse... and implement the same policies internally.

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[–] deadcream@sopuli.xyz 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It was never about freedom, but about restoring control of European governments over their citizens' online presence and their data, so that everything they do on the internet is subject to European laws and regulations, not American ones.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

Eh, next try (Nr. 7? 8?) of Axel Springer, a tabloid that wanted to declare their site as a protected piece of art you aren't allowed to modify (block stuff).

[–] willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The "owners" of our world want us to be passengers, not drivers. They own the carusel, and we rent our rides.

They say we have no skin in the game. Truth is, SKIN is ALL we have in this game. We must have assets in the game as a birthright to make it worth playing in good faith. If most are landless and assetless, sorry, the game sucks. That means untill we get the rules that protect all of our interests, as opposed to protecting massive wealth accumulations at everyone's expense, we will ignore the rules, the norms, decorum, civility, etc.

If the hoarders break the social contract repeatedly, like they have since 2008, it takes people some time to internalize and digest the fact of what it means for none of us to be bound by a social contract. Once people catch on, there will be hell to pay.

[–] Guidy@lemmy.world 75 points 3 days ago

Good thing my computer isn’t in Germany. I will stop using web browsers before I disable ad blockers.

[–] littleomid@feddit.org 36 points 3 days ago (5 children)

What a shit website and article. At least post the one from Mozilla themselves.

The case is not just blocking adblockers: the issue is that Adblock Plus specifically charges companies to let their ads go through. That is one of the main concerns.

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[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

So basically its "we get to decide how data is processed on your hardware when we send it down the pipe". Somebody should explain server/client roles to these clowns.

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

So what happens if the ad blocker is built into the browser?

And what happens if a user modifies the Dom by hand using dev tools?

What about DNS blocks?

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[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 49 points 3 days ago (9 children)

So much for Europe being more progressive. They’re shilling for corporate on par with the states.

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[–] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Dumbest argument I have ever heard, this is the equivalent of someone gifting me a book and I am not allowed to annotate, redact, highlight, or rip pages of it because of copyright. That makes zero sense, how did it even go to court?

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 37 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Next they'll say that avoiding ads by abandoning the internet on the whole is illegal and that you are legally required to watch ads x times, or for y minutes, per day.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Noja@sopuli.xyz 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Mac@mander.xyz 4 points 2 days ago

I'm sure you know but for any onlookers:
This is not a meme, this was in a patent by Sony.

US8246454B2

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[–] Jozav@lemmy.world 42 points 3 days ago

I buy a newspaper and black out all the advertisements. Now the government is banning black felt-tip pens?

[–] aurelar@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Time to switch back to text-only browsers.

I don't live in Germany though, so I don't have to worry about this legislation or do anything about it 😂

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[–] mrgnz@feddit.org 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I don't know why but I feel relaxed about it. It's hardly enforceable and I don't even think Springer will win this. It's just a feeling from experience with those things in Germany.

They're also referring to browser based ad blocking which leaves blockers like pi hole or ad guard to be legal options.

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