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[–] SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 9 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Are you kidding me? How am I supposed to live in this damn Orwellian society that is coming?

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 1 points 10 minutes ago

Always has been

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

The EU's been breathing down Apple's neck for them trying to do similar shit, so i find the timing kinda weird.
Plus they'd need to force-update their spyware first, i wonder how many versions of android they're willing to go back.

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 1 points 59 minutes ago

I think the update is already installed, just waiting for the kill switch.

[–] poopkins@lemmy.world -1 points 41 minutes ago

Yet Apple has been able to profit from their walled garden for decades now. Doesn't that set a precedent that it's okay? I honestly don't blame Google for going this route—it's inaction from our policymakers that has created the space for abuse.

[–] flemtone@lemmy.world 18 points 3 hours ago (6 children)

Already using GrapheneOs on my phone, so fuck Google.

[–] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 2 points 31 minutes ago

But, what happens when Google decides to no longer the option to unlock the bootloader for future phones? It's the future that is the concern when it comes to the degoogle options available.

Wait until Google locks the bootloader.

[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 20 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 1 points 17 minutes ago (1 children)

I want to know, too. I got a Samsung s23 when my last phone suddenly died and I only then realized thar it wasn't compatible.

[–] Rainbowblite@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 minutes ago (1 children)

The joke is that GrapheneOS only works on Google Pixel phones.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 1 points 8 minutes ago (1 children)

I noticed that, and they are expensive.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 minute ago

Bought a Pixel 7a new below 350 EUR last december. Buying used is also an option.

[–] markko@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

Sucks that it only works on devices made by Google though..

[–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

The issue isn't that. It's that devs may juat abandon projects if they're too naughty for Google cos the custom ROM crowd is so tiny.

Right so think torrent clients, idk, Pornhub app, that sort of thing. Yeah, it doesn't affect your phone. But it absolutely will affect what software is available at all should Google clamp down on this.

[–] Tlf@feddit.org 6 points 3 hours ago (3 children)
[–] 2deck@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Yes, ive had zero issues with it 👍

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

You have to pay google to use it (only works on pixel phones afaik).

[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

It's very "meh..." with the added benefit of several (non-google) apps not working (/s). I choose to live with this inconvenience, but it still bothers me that my smartphone is significantly less useful in my daily life.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

You always have a choice. You can ditch your morals entirely, give up, be subservient to the capitalists and give your identity over fully to the system like the good little consumer slave you are and enjoy your normie life looking at your normie phone and toss us all out as tinfoil-hatted weirdos who almost convinced you to make your life worse for the sake of self-sufficiency, independence and privacy.

No one in the real world will ever know, care, or judge you. Only you will know that you gave up, that every location you exist in is known about by someone behind a monitor being overseen by fascists. Every day! You can live with that, right? That's a small thing to give up in the grand scheme of things, isn't it? At least Youtube loaded today, right? It's all worth it, lol.

Just remember to type "thanks" in google keyboard whenever you want them to know you appreciate them. They log it.

[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Dead Kennedys were prophetic when they named one of their albums "Give me convenience or give me death".

[–] markko@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Having not used default Android for many years now, what makes GrapheneOS worse (aside from a few apps not working - which isn't an issue I've had, fortunately)?

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 2 hours ago

google is pissed people were deleting that spying app on android phones, plus thier constant attack on adblocking on youtube wasnt working to well. since samsung and iphones pretty much walled in thier os, why not google.

[–] FreddyNO@lemmy.world 31 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Lootboblin@lemmy.world 10 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Easily the most disgusting company in the planet and it’s funny that their old motto/slogan was ”Don’t be evil”.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 hours ago

I've recently gotten to think that the company which made the basement for all these disgusting companies is usually viewed as not just not disgusting, but almost holy. Meaning Sun. So, maybe, judging the tree by its fruits, the most disgusting company was Sun.

I mean, I know that everyone who used their products and of course people who worked there are still in awe and remember it like a Soviet summer camp shown in the Everlasting Summer game.

But perhaps that's misguided. They've built the hierarchical systems, the infrastructure, for all the dystopia of today, and their code still powers much of it.

Also you know how the second competitor in an almost monopolized market is sometimes considered an accomplice of monopoly? Because they are strong enough to support some of its ways, while the rest are not. So they reinforce it. I'm also looking at Firefox writing this. Literally.

Perhaps we'd have a better environment office-wise if LibreOffice and OpenOffice were not a thing. They support MS formats, thus indirectly contributing to MS dominance. The network effects work in a few different ways, while were it different, those desperately needing MS documents would use MSO, at the same time those just needing some office suite would possibly not.

Perhaps that can also be applied to Unix and Unix-likes, Sun made a lot of momentum for Unix and Unix-like desktops when they contributed to TCL/Tk so that it became a tool for making Unix and Unix-like desktop applications easily. And when they created Java and Java applets in web browsers prepared the public for scripts in browsers and cross-platform applications served over net.

Yes, it all felt like heaven behind the corner, but perhaps they are to blame. What if.

After all, much of that was free or for the cost of a CD then, and free cheese usually is part of a trap. Perhaps if instead commercial competing platforms, like Amiga or even Apple, were to gain more following, we'd have a different world. All those development resources couldn't have been gifted (Sun in the 90s, I mean, and honestly many universities) out of nowhere, something made that worth the expense.

Or, if we want free and open, Lisp environments are somewhat easier to hack on (also again about TCL, it kinda approaches that in convenience for a non-programmer to make something simple, quick and dirty, but good enough), and accessibility to wider, eh, masses is meaningful here. So maybe GNU shouldn't have gone with a Unix-like system idea. I mean, OK, they do have a Lisp environment fit for everything, it's called Emacs.

BTW, about disgusting companies coming to mind first, I'm not disgusted by Oracle, in comparison to most other big ones they do honest business. I dunno why they are hated, uncle Larry says dystopian shit with enthusiasm and no remorse, but at the same time his company sells exactly what it advertises. It's all kinda open and straightforward, it's the "one rich asshole called Larry Ellison" company, which may not be what someone likes, but is certainly better than companies actively building worldwide digital fascism (it, of course, offers expertise and help to those who do in case they need it). Also he's really a self-made man. Unlike all those other types from good families, good environments and with good education.

OK. I just have that conspiracy theory brewing in my mind about Sun actually being evil. Sorry.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 3 hours ago

that spy app they were using a few months ago was just the first test.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah well luckily for them, people don't seem to know how to write anything but webapps anymore anyway.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 hours ago

In an environment most convenient for making webapps people make webapps.

It's not even such a wrong idea honestly, if the "web" in "webapp" were a bit leaner and you'd make local applications with something document-oriented for GUI looking at a local service. It's just a decent bit of structure to make application design easier. Nothing wrong with that IMHO.

But, ahem, when by "webapp" we mean that we have a browser fulfilling the role of an operating system, and there's one company making it, then something is wrong.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 20 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

And they can suckle upon my peener.

I'll go to Graphine or something else before I let the company for whom "don't be evil" was too bold a statement dictate my fuckin' choices.

I already ditched Windows. Can't be that hard to cut Google out too.

[–] traceur301@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Graphene has locked itself to google hardware, and google can cripple them at any point by stopping bootloader unlocks. We need to go deeper, or aim higher as it were

[–] cookie019@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 hours ago

Not that they locked themselves but other vendors locked and isolated themselves by not provideing enough hardware and software security measures so graphebne will be able to strenghten them

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