this post was submitted on 12 Sep 2025
389 points (98.5% liked)

Technology

75032 readers
2933 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related news or articles.
  3. Be excellent to each other!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, this includes using AI responses and summaries. To ask if your bot can be added please contact a mod.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
  10. Accounts 7 days and younger will have their posts automatically removed.

Approved Bots


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] wshrader@lemmy.today 6 points 59 minutes ago (1 children)

Had to use Rufus to even install it on a ThinkPad which works perfectly. Drivers and all.

Maybe they should stop trying to be like Apple. You can’t limit upgrades then complain about no one upgrading.

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 2 points 9 minutes ago

They're not limiting it because they're worried about performance or drivers.

They're limiting it because they want to force people into SecureBoot, TPM, and CPUs with several remote control management firmware, because this way they're one stop closer to a fully closed down chain from boot to OS which allows for aggressive DRM and no escape from their ecosystem. Just like at how iOS works and the path Android has been going for the last five years.

The fact the PC ecosystem is open is a left over from the origins in the era before capitalism realized that trapping people into their digital landscapes was profitable, and they have been trying everything to make this go away. Microsoft's wet dream is your PC becoming the same as your smart TV: a data harvesting, ad filled generic piece of hardware that can only display what they want you to see.

[–] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 minutes ago

I can't help but feel like there is some confirmation bias going on here in these numbers. Someone who still uses Kaspersky after all of the Russian government allegations is probably someone who also doesn't care if they can't update to windows 11 because they don't intend on spending more money for security patches.

[–] zerofk@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The risk for both general and corporate business users far outweighs any minor inconveniences of moving to a new OS version.

Minor inconveniences like HAVING TO BUY A WHOLE NEW FUCKING COMPUTER.

These people live in a fantasy world.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago

What? Don't you guys have money?

[–] Mvlad88@lemmy.world 1 points 16 minutes ago

I successfully upgraded from Windows 10 to Linux Mint.

[–] tomkatt@lemmy.world 9 points 1 hour ago

I upgraded from Windows 11 to EndeavourOS. No regrets, it’s a huge improvement.

[–] Moltz@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago

Literally got a full screen pop up in the middle of work reminding me, that I, in fact, can't upgrade to Windows 11. Like no shit, I turned TPM off for that very reason. You'd think Microsoft would expect me to know at this point as this was the upteenth reminder hijacking my entire screen. I'm sure I'll get more of them.

The virtual machine I installed windows on to play games with kernel-level anticheat and other such spyware apparently isn't compatible with windows 11. That's a positive for 2 reasons, which are:

  1. It can't run Windows 11, so no risk of a forced upgrade
  2. Windows won't constantly harass me to upgrade.

10/10 experience, would not give give Windows access to bare metal again.

[–] RandAlThor@lemmy.ca 1 points 40 minutes ago

I have windows 11 because it came with a new pc. The damn thing crashed so much it reminded me of bad windows from the old days. Don't get it YET if you don't have to.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 hour ago

Win 11 launcher is pure shit.

[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

I use Win11 on my main computer for work and school reasons. I need maximum compatibility and reliability and it has met those goals. Back in the day, I used to use Linux on my old laptops and I dual-booted it on my main PC. It has been awesome seeing how far it has come and I would like to get back into it some day.

That being said, a huge barrier for Linux and prospective new users is the community. The Linux community is highly combative and toxic and it absolutely sours what should (and could!) be a great experience. Almost every interaction I had while troubleshooting had some level of condescending attitude or outright hostility and there were numerous times I was directly insulted for asking for help - the most recent being a couple years ago when I was trying out a distro and had sound driver issues.

[–] DiabolicalBird@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 minutes ago

100% this. The Linux community seems very hostile to people trying to learn. The amount of times I've looked something up just to find a thread answered with "learn how to use search" or people just being outright mean to someone who is just figuring the basics out...

The year of the Linux desktop is never until the comnunity gets its toxic shithead problem under control.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 48 minutes ago* (last edited 47 minutes ago) (1 children)

I have to say, I've only been using Linux for maybe 2 years now, and my experience regarding the community has been the exact opposite.

Especially on this site, everyone is very kind and helpful.

[–] cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 1 points 19 minutes ago

That is also my experience. People are certainly opinionated which could be interpreted as hostility in some cases, but most people are willing to share and help when someone less knowledgable have gotten stuck with something.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 37 points 4 hours ago

Microsoft was successful in convincing me to upgrade to Mint however.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 8 points 2 hours ago

$10 says a future win10 update includes a killswitch. If it hasn't already

[–] 3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com 0 points 57 minutes ago

I have zero faith anyone on here will have anything nice to say about Win 11. But it is fine, no issues here and never have had any. Here in the UK it is Windows in the workplace or windows, so pointless for me to try and support clients without a Win 10 and a Win 11 box. Win 7 has been gone for years for most. It is also Office everywhere in the workplace too, nothing else gets a look in, with some businesses having a smattering of non Microsoft products. The reality is that plenty of people will happily drop a grand on a new phone but only want to spend like £200 on a business laptop they have to work on, because, well it is only work innit. So many people refusing to spend money on work computing needs and would rather watch the laptop slowly grinding its way through things because they can then blame THEIR poor output on a shit computer

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 4 points 3 hours ago

Switched to PopOS on my desktop and Mint on the ancient laptop my gf had laying around. No real complaints. Games run fine. Browser runs fine. I had some trouble getting mint installed on the old laptop, but the internet had a solution.

I think the install process is kind of daunting for many users, but once it's going I think the average user won't have any problems. Windows, by contrast, is kind of aggressive with its "GOING TO UPDATE NOW" and "don't you want to use one drive???"

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 10 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

That is such a dumb clickbait title made to be fueled by emotions.

Who are those folks that can't be convinced? Because it sure as hell aren't the businesses who are moving all their Windows 10 PCs over to Windows 11.

Do they mean the consumer users? The ones who would still be on Windows XP if it weren't for Microsoft forcing their updates? Who only update when they get a new computer and postpone every update because they don't care about being on an insecure OS?

The ones who could be convinced already are on Windows 11. The rest Microsoft doesn't care about.

[–] Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Well, we are talking about half the active PCs still running Windows 10 instead of Windows 11.
That's a lot more than just the few "I don't care"-people.

Instead it consist mainly of the "I don't have the means" people, that don't have the Hardware required to upgrade and also not the money to quickly change that.

Microsoft screwed up here. There simple was no need to demand such harsh hardware requirements and especially no need to enforce them that hard.

[–] 3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com -1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

I have to firmly disagree - I mean Apple changed their whole cpu setup to force upgrades didn't they...
Also it is over 10 years old, that's a good run. Has nothing to do with tight ass business owners who are turning to AI and using the money there instead has it?
The hardware requirements are not that harsh. People simply believe they are. Intel rested on its laurels for 10 years and then people are like, oh I need a new setup my cpu won't run Win 11!

[–] ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz 1 points 16 minutes ago (1 children)

The upcoming macOS Tahoe still supports some Intel Macs from 2019.

[–] 3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com 1 points 14 minutes ago

Win 10 launched in 2015, and your point is? 6 years v 10... not really comparable is it in any shape, way or form...

[–] Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 57 minutes ago (1 children)

Well there is a big difference between switching the CPU architecture altogether and just arbitrarily declaring a slightly older CPU with the exact same instruction set to be "outdated".
Also, the customer profile of Apple users and Windows users is somewhat different. You won't find a lot of Macs at normal peoples homes in e.g. Indonesia...

[–] 3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com 1 points 27 minutes ago (1 children)

and? Saying it has the same instruction set shows you actually don't understand what is needed to run win 11. Of course you can force an upgrade as well. But people seems pissed at Microsoft but give Apple a free pass for being far more manipulative, and again Intel here is the reason as they were so shocking for years Apple decided it could and has done a better job!

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 minutes ago

shows you actually don't understand what is needed to run win 11.

TPM is not needed either, it's an arbitrary restriction.

[–] RedEyeFlightControl@lemmy.world 11 points 4 hours ago

Have the not learned anything? In 30 years of windows releases???

To get customers to upgrade, they have to release Windows 12. We only upgrade every other major version, because every other major version is terrible. Including W11.

[–] DaCrazyJamez@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 hours ago

Hahahahah. "Upgrade."

[–] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 39 points 6 hours ago

Help! Our unsustainable behavior of screwing over customers in the name of quarterly profits has finally caught up to us! Turns out there are long term consequences of our behavior, and now Linux can truly go toe-to-toe with Windows on a home desktop!

[–] gera@feddit.nu 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I just can't be fucked. I have win10 on my laptop that I boot once a month to run some windows programs but other then that I don't care about it. The only reason I see myself upgrading is to maybe know how to help my relatives with their windows 11 problems.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›