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Ex-PlayStation boss says the games industry is "littered" with Fortnite clones and "people trying to do Overwatch with different skins," but keep dreaming if you're just trying to get "big sacks of mo (www.gamesradar.com)
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[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago

This isn't necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes people want the same kind of game with a different flavor. Maybe they don't like the PUBG art style and would rather play Fortnite instead, or perhaps they don't like Overwatch because of Blizzard and are okay with Marvel Rivals from NetEase instead.

I don't believe that games should exist with no real competitors. That's how you end up with games like Dead by Daylight, where community sentiment plummets but the developers have no real reason to do anything about it because where are the players going to go?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Surely he knows that Fortnite is itself the clone. He has to know that they didn't start the battle royale genre they just cutesy it up and monetize the hell out of it.

It was actually a good game when it was in beta and the building mechanics actually had some sort of point. Then they pivoted and went in the battle of royale genre and it became a microtransaction lootbox nightmare.

[–] logan_hero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 17 hours ago

Why tf fortnite keeps getting called "lootbox nightmare" around here despite

  1. There never were lootboxes in br
  2. Lootboxes being gone for like 6 years already
  3. Already slapped for using lootboxes when they were active
[–] vane@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Gamers Literally Only Want One Thing And It's Fucking Disgusting. Pew Pew Pew.

[–] sausager@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago

Fortnight is the clone!

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 70 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

That's pretty much been the landscape of major commercial gaming since I've been alive. Just replace Fortnite and Overwatch with the current popular game of the era. Doom, Diablo, Minecraft, etc.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The major difference being how many recurring costs you incur for chasing live services rather than just making Diablo or Doom clones.

[–] wagesj45@fedia.io 1 points 2 days ago

Same problem, new challenges.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Nearly everything is a derivative of something from before. Occasionally something new comes up though. I don't remember anything like Getting Over It seems to have created the Foddian game genre for example. And while Balatro uses relatively normal cards for its base, the gameplay itself is unique.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The MOBA genre as we know it today simply took Warcraft 3 and tweaked the gameplay a bit with the original DOTA mod. But then stuff started ripping it off and we got League of Legends which, from what I could tell when these were rerelatively new, was the same thing as Dota but with different characters.

Palworld gets a lot of attention for duplicating some elements of Pokemon, but the whole game is basically a reskinned Ark, which itself is just Rust with more gimmicks.

The BR genre started as an Arma mod, then became a stand alone game, which Fortnite shifted gears from some kind of PvE game to add the BR that is dominating now, and everyone is trying to copy that. As a 40 year old gamer, it really is starting to feel like there is nothing new under the sun.

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Even DotA itself was inspired by Aeon of Strife which was a StarCraft map. There were a few AOS-like maps at the time but DotA became the most popular. Then Riot came along and approached an ex DotA designer to help them make a successor. They also approached the owner of dota-allstars.com which at the time was the main site for DotA. Discussions, hero suggestions, fan art, pretty much anything dota related was there. Then, the owner, Fuck Pendragon, took the entire site down and replaced it with a LoL ad. Ofc all those hero suggestions were taken and implemented into LoL without crediting the creators. A few years later he also tried to use blizzard to sue valve for the dota rights but blizz and valve settled it out of court without him.

[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago

Depends on how you define new. Battle Royale could be viewed as just an evolution of the arena shooter genre where you expand the map and the player count to the maximum with the "arena pickups" being randomized. Or it could be viewed as something new because it fundamentally plays differently. IMO taking things that have been done before and combining them into something that hasn't been done before is still creating something new.

And if you want really fresh ideas, there's always the indie scene. I will always point my finger at Noita and the absolutely insane wand/spellcrafting system which is probably the most wizarding experience you can have. You can literally create a wand that (and I'm significantly simplifying the process because honestly I have no idea how that actually works) summons a deer into a parallel world and then swaps your location with the deer making you teleport into a parallel world. And no, that is most likely not the intended use of any of the spells that go into that wand. The devs themselves were probably trying to figure out if that's a feature or a bug.

[–] JandroDelSol@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And ow there's a bunch of rougelikes based around other kinds of games like dice. Not a bad thing, but Balatro has certainly started a new mini genre

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Agree but I think the trend started before Balatro. Slay the Spire was probably more influential in that sense.

[–] rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 0 points 2 days ago

to be fair there are many games that are like Getting Over it or Balatro or even Vampire Survivors it's just many of them aren't as successful or known as those games.

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I want them big sacks of mo!

[–] Agent_Karyo@piefed.world 5 points 2 days ago

If you Piefed, you'll get big sacks of money instead.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Someone introduce this person to indie games. It will shatter their world.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

No please don't, it's better these executives stay well away.

[–] muhyb@programming.dev 10 points 2 days ago

It's hilarious that we live in different worlds. I have no idea what are those Fortnite or Overwatch copies. I have no interest in hero-shooters or battle-royale genres too.

[–] iamtherealwalrus@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That was an article without much to say. Might as well have been a tweet.

[–] Quazatron@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I feel this is true about much of what you see online currently. Videos that could have been an short how-to, articles that contain mostly AI generated filler. Also, if you want support on that you better join our discord.

I have genuine gratitude to people who share their in depth knowledge online using old fashion HTML.

[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You're looking for a recipe for a fancy lasagne? Okay but first here's my life story and the history of lasagne plus half a dozen ads

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

They seemed to have caught on to just scrolling straight to the bottom now too, so now it's somewhere around 2/3rds the way down is the actual recipe nestled away between the filler.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Or a rambling 1 hour video.

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 2 points 2 days ago

As usual the worst part is the title (by design, of course. Gotta farm those clicks).

"there are too many but keep dreaming if you want big sacks of money" is not the guy's quote. The frankenquote is ambiguous on purpose, it could sound either like sarcasm or like a semi-cautious encouragement.

In the article, he sounds way more negative toward live services than that. There's no "but", he just says it's an "illusion" and it "mostly doesn't happen".

[–] ALilOff@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I think the studios have been forcing it a lot in hopes of hitting the jackpot of the next big major game.

Rather I preferred when they made cornucopia of “risky” me ideas and lower budgets.

There are too many cooks in the kitchen as for example over 3,000 people work on call of duty. (From Google did not fact check further) I don’t understand how you could get that many people to work without deviation from the directors initial idea.

[–] markz@suppo.fi 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Is it even possible to hit jackpot with a fortnite clone when – y'know – fortnite exists?

[–] criss_cross@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Fortnite essentially got popular cloning PUBG so it doesn’t hurt to try?

[–] Darkenfolk@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah sure, just do the gimmick better or introduce your own "fun" gimmick.

[–] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I guess we will see very soon with the release of Arc Raiders...

(According to IGN it's a Fortnite clone pretty much because you have a pickaxe and it's TPS)

[–] Inaminate_Carbon_Rod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Gotta be different, but the same.

It’s a small target to hit but for some reason that’s all they want to aim at.

[–] Inaminate_Carbon_Rod@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I look at that thumbnail and all I see is an executive ranting about how this will engage fathers with their daughters who want to game together!

nEW dEMogRApHicS!!!!!!!