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[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If they can, they will. That's the only rule you need to know about business and politics.

[–] SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Knowing this is at the level of life and death.

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So hypothetically, what if a bunch of protestors showed up with IC E shirts/pants/etc.... without license plates and started to protest? How would they know who was who at that point?

It doesn't even look that hard to do given how much memorabilia there is online.

Well, Halloween just happened, so there are probably convincing costumes available on discount. Just saying...

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Ok time for everyone to dress like ice agents then. Masks for all.

[–] SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago

I'm not entirely sure, but modern cameras can see through fabric, so I'm afraid you'll have to buy a mask made of special materials.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Is it illegal to have a facemask? People should start carrying around ski masks in their vehicles in case ICE approaches them. If they claim it's illegal then why the fuck is ICE wearing them?

[–] SpankyDoodle@eviltoast.org 8 points 1 day ago

It's harder to racially profile a masked person or identify them in general.

[–] __siru__@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 1 day ago

Because it is an authoritarian regime now, and not a state of law and order anymore.

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 127 points 2 days ago (19 children)

They use facial recognition on us while we are not allowed to see their faces.

These guys need de-masking.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

With their mask-wearing they’re practically advertising their methods. We should take the clue. Everyone still has their COVID masks, right?

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not the point. As long as they remain masked there will be no accountability.

[–] survirtual@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Facial recognition can use nose bridge characteristics, eye distance, eye angle, eye color, etc.

Gait detection can also fingerprint.

Document everything and there will be accountability.

If possible, use a zoom lens and get closeups of their eyes. They are unique signatures.

[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 74 points 2 days ago (7 children)

They need lifetimes in prison for treason and domestic terrorism.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 55 points 2 days ago (4 children)

An ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien

Cool, so I guess that means I can ignore evidence of the person/people at the door being law enforcement before enforcing my 2nd Amendment rights and state self-defense laws that also allow me to shoot to protect others.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah you can, but you'll probably get killed. If you're willing to do that though, then at least make it worthwhile

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ICE don't even show their ID do they? They think real police only have warrants and show their ID for no reason. They smahter than all of history combined you know. /s

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That depends on who you ask, but likely the courts would side with a citizen requesting ID. The policy seems to be that they must "when it is practical and safe to do so."

AFAIK, this issue has not been tried in court though.

[–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

What is the odds that court is where you go?

There's so many other outcomes I keep hearing about in your news, but I don't know the odds.

In practice, pretty low! In the vast majority of cases, people are released within a few hours and not sent to one of the larger detention facilities. As much as the news sensationalizes the handful of cases where that doesn't happen, the likelihood is still quite low that I wouldn't get due process.

If I saw an ICE operation in my neighborhood, I wouldn't be too worried about going up to them and demanding their name and badge number. I'm not going to be "disappeared" or anything like that, especially as a US citizen. The vast majority of those targeted are actually illegal immigrants, and the extras arrested are often obstructing justice in one way or another. If I approach it completely legally, I don't think I'd be falsely accused of something else by those officers.

Don't get me wrong, I am 100% against what ICE is doing. I think they're being a bit too fast and loose with their information, such that they arrest or detain far too many people without actual cause, and those they do arrest with cause they mistreat. I'm not necessarily against illegal immigrants getting deported, but that should be handled with respect and restraint, at least until we get policy to get these good people on some form of temporary status. If someone currently has work here, there should be a really easy way to get that turned into a legal work visa.

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[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 85 points 2 days ago (19 children)

Does the US legal system still exist in any sense that it should in a democracy?

I ask because I don't understand how all this is possible in a constitutional state: Masked brutes who arbitrarily kidnap people on the open street without even identifying themselves, people who are interned without due process and then often simply disappear without a trace in the administrative system, total surveillance without cause, and many other massive violations that the US legal system seems to enable rather than prevent, as it should.

All of this already looks very much like a dictatorship to me, i.e., an unjust state, as none of this can be possible with a democratic constitution - at least not with one that is actually upheld by the legal system.

[–] seitzer@piefed.social 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From a distance it looks like the American people don't realize what's happening and accept it because "it will be over in 4 years". Keeping them frightened of losing their breadcrumbs also works very well.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's my impression too. After everything the regime has done so far, I think it's pretty clear that it can no longer be removed by legal means - the legal system already seems to me to have been infiltrated too deeply for that.

It also seems likely to me that MAGA will no longer allow free elections, because that would carry the risk of being voted out of office, which, even in the corrupt US system, could mean severe legal consequences for many of the regime's followers and for all the misdeeds that have already been committed in less than a year. I don't think MAGA will take that chance, especially since ICE is already set up as a kind of secret police force with a budget equivalent to the military spending of a medium-sized country. I mean, what else could an agency like this possibly need such an astronomical budget for other than as a private army loyal to the regime and thus a safeguard in case of resistance from the regular army or the police?

In short: I think the outlook is very bleak, and like you, I'm not convinced that the majority of US citizens are aware of how dangerous the situation is.

[–] boeman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

From what I’ve seen inside the country, the majority do not see it. The people who do see it aren’t strong enough to fix it, yet…

it can no longer be removed by legal means

It can, it just requires and act of Congress (well, two actually, impeachment and removal), an act by the VP (or maybe the cabinet? I'd need to check), or maybe an act of the Supreme Court to enable lower courts to sentence the president. None of those are currently willing to do so, but that could change after the midterms next year.

MAGA will no longer allow free elections

I guess we'll find out next year.

I think your post is quite paranoid, but we'll see I guess.

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 57 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It does not. The legal system has essentially lost the ability to be a check on the power of the executive branch. Partly because of the capture of the judiciary and regulatory bodies by right-wing extremists and partly because of the speed at which the executive branch is acting illegally - it takes time to build cases and the jsutice system can't keep up.

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[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Time to start wearing face paint / face tattoos that fuck with facial recognition.

[–] falcunculus@jlai.lu 21 points 2 days ago (6 children)

In their world, resisting surveillance will be probable cause for arrest, because you must have something to hide and need to be investigated.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

It doesn’t matter. At this point resistance is a responsibility. They will lie and make shit up either way so challenge them while you still can.

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[–] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Um, Americans also realize they’re ABDUCTING people without their consent too, right? And have been, for like months now?

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