:"Everything I don't like is political. If it's something I like, then it's not political, but just common sense and has been that way since the dawn of time."
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Sounding an awful lot like Gamers.
Two genders, male and political.
Two races, white and political.
Three sexual orientations, straight, hot lesbians, and political.
Three sexual orientations, straight, hot lesbians, and political.
Gundam: the Witch From Mercury went from hot lesbians to political lesbians when they showed no-room-for-theoretical-male-senpai commitment and exchange of friendship rings! 
We live during a critical point in history, and I am determined to laugh at it
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Exactly. We complainers aren't saying they can't post about politics, just requesting they post their political memes in the designated political meme space.
EDIT: A message to people from Hexbear
Thank you for your input, but I stopped responding to arguments here at least 24 hours ago because I can't juggle that many conversations at once. I would ask that you respect that and not continue to argue with me about what is and isn't political, because I'm just going to ignore it anyways. Thank you.
What does being political mean to you?
In this context, it's matters related to government, politicians, or the general culture of a country, in which there are two or more major camps of conflicting opinions, where a good deal of people in one or more of those camps view the other camp as evil because of their view.
If the post is in a community where only one of the camps is significantly present, but the post is attacking the other camp, it is still political.
Why do you ask? Are you hoping to expose some inconsistency in my definition? Maybe use it to call something I like political with the expectation that I'll disagree with you? Or were you expecting my definition to be biased, calling something political that shouldn't be, so that you could expose me as a moustache-twirling villain?
You're pretty upset that I asked a question aren't you? I wonder why that is.
Government and politicians I think are pretty self explanatory and I would agree those are inherently political, no argument there.
What do you think is part of a general culture of a country, or not? How would you define culture that has conflicting opinions? Is it solely up to your discretion, or would you agree that if anyone has any disagreement about a meme that would make it automatically political?
Is this one political because it references the FBI, a governmental organization? https://startrek.website/post/1847371 I would argue that it is political.
Is this one political because it references culture related to advertising in capitalism? I would think everyone should agree that any reference to or commentary of an economic system is inherently political because of course economic systems are controversial. I don't see how anyone could argue that references to a combination of two major brands isn't a commentary on marketing: https://programming.dev/post/3200916
I mean this one references politics so it's clearly political right? https://lemm.ee/post/8502748
I'm just curious about what you and others think is political versus not. You can't have a discussion about if something should or should not be allowed if you can't clearly define the boundaries of that thing. I find the discussion around what is and isn't politics to be an interesting one, that's all.
I think can answer the memes questions for you.
- Non political
- Non political
- I guess it could be considered political in a way, but it doesn't target a specific party or opinion so I'd let it through.
Lmao. The FBI: famously non-political government organization that murders activists as easily as one can breath air.
And Microsoft: famously non-political company that ~~bribes~~ lobbies the u.s government constantly to gain monopoly over their market, works hand-in-hand with federal agencies to monitor system users, and regularly influences city, state, and national politics in the pursuit of subsidies of the American worker in order to further boost their already gross profit margins.
I'm not disagreeing that some companies can have a political impact on the world.
Those memes in particular, aren't focused on the political aspects. You have to be missing a brain in order to miss the point there.
No you have to be missing a brain to think monopolies don't have anything to do with politics.
Stealing a line from something I saw earlier. If you don't like the memes just ignore them like you do the homeless people you walk by, non-politically.
I never said they don't have anything to do with politics you dumbfuck. Re-read my post.
Ok I re read the part where you said
- Not political
And interpreted that to mean you didn't think it was political.
If that wasn't the intent you should work on communicating more clearly, or not being mad when people correctly read what you posted.
Oh god. How thick can you be? I meant the MEME isn't political. Never said anything about Microsoft or other big companies.
You did not read correctly, indeed. The question was if the meme was political, not Microsoft.
Oh god. How thick can you be? You did not read correctly, indeed. The question was if the meme was political. And it clearly is, since it references political entities and distributes the ideology of whoever is OP of the meme to a bunch of unsuspecting lurkers that falsely assume it's non-political. Also the fact that you disagree about what is and what isn't political makes it political
You guys are making it political.
Remove the hexbear instance and you'll see that most of the comments agree on what is and isn't politics, even thought their feelings towards X and Y political party differ. It's seems it's just you guys creating a shit storm of nonsense and everybody else kinda getting along despite their differences.
You're describing an echochamber..
Nah, I'm describing a meme focused community.
If there are no politics, there are no echo chambers to be had.
That must explain why all those meme focused communities, especially the "dank" and "edgy" ones radicalized a generation of white boys to worship Andrew tate and why we've got 10 year olds saying kill all gays and fuck women to popular "meme" streamers.
Cus of how non political those places are.
I agree with you there. I hate that little old scrutum too.
But, if those memes would start to get too edgy, yes I would still want a specific community for them
Wow what a surprise the person complaining about memes being too political also thinks that the memes that radicalized fascists should still be kept around.
You're literally the white moderate holding back progress MLK Jr described.
Not upset, just suspicious because I've seen you asking that question a lot.
Obviously what I consider political is up to my discretion, but I'm pretty sure the general definition does not include contentious memes, and mine doesn't either because I gave a clause about one side considering the other side evil because of it.
In general, if a person asks themselves "is what I'm posting political?" they can answer correctly 95% of the time, and the 5% of edge cases won't upset 95% of the complainers.
That's an awful lot of words to implicitly say "it's not political if I agree with it"
"If a person asks themselves is this political they can answer correctly 95% of the time."
Yea turns out it's easier to answer a question correctly if you're deciding I'd the answer is right or not.
That’s an awful lot of words to implicitly say “it’s not political if I agree with it”
Where are you getting that?
Where you said your test is asking yourself if you thought it was political and saying you were right 95% of the time.
What I meant was that anyone can ask themselves if it's political, and 95% of the time they'll get it right by the standards of 95% of the people who don't like politics.
Ohh so it's at the discretion of people who "don't like politics" if it's political or not.
Dont worry I've seen those "non political" people talk a lot so I know what you mean.
Like how there's two races. White and "political"
So as long as what you post doesn't offend straight white people it isn't political, but if it does then it is.
What a refreshing and original take.
So we can't post memes about ..... checks notes the general culture of our country?
So no memes about anything with literally any specifics.
You realize if you got your wish memses would just be "how many of yall like breathing"
Maybe you could point us to an example of an acceptable meme with no politics involved.
Earlier in this thread, I said:
We complainers aren’t saying they can’t post about politics, just requesting they post their political memes in the designated political meme space.
I also clarified that it has to be contentious, in a way where people condemn each other for thinking differently.
Here are some non-political memes posted in this community in the past hour:
https://lemmy.ml/post/5184036
https://lemmy.ml/post/5185652
https://lemmy.ml/post/5185650
https://lemmy.ml/post/5186256
https://lemmy.ml/post/5186204
That's 5 of the 6 memes posted in that timespan.
1 and 3 are pretty directly political lol
I don't think "I don't like my job" is politically divisive. You don't really get people up in arms about it unless you're complaining about capitalism or work in general. Even boomers have their "I'd rather be fishing" meme about it.
With the division of labour, in which all these contradictions are implicit, and which in its turn is based on the natural division of labour in the family and the separation of society into individual families opposed to one another, is given simultaneously the distribution, and indeed the unequal distribution, both quantitative and qualitative, of labour and its products, hence property: the nucleus, the first form, of which lies in the family, where wife and children are the slaves of the husband. This latent slavery in the family, though still very crude, is the first property, but even at this early stage it corresponds perfectly to the definition of modern economists who call it the power of disposing of the labour-power of others. Division of labour and private property are, moreover, identical expressions: in the one the same thing is affirmed with reference to activity as is affirmed in the other with reference to the product of the activity.
Further, the division of labour implies the contradiction between the interest of the separate individual or the individual family and the communal interest of all individuals who have intercourse with one another. And indeed, this communal interest does not exist merely in the imagination, as the “general interest,” but first of all in reality, as the mutual interdependence of the individuals among whom the labour is divided. And finally, the division of labour offers us the first example of how, as long as man remains in natural society, that is, as long as a cleavage exists between the particular and the common interest, as long, therefore, as activity is not voluntarily, but naturally, divided, man’s own deed becomes an alien power opposed to him, which enslaves him instead of being controlled by him. For as soon as the distribution of labour comes into being, each man has a particular, exclusive sphere of activity, which is forced upon him and from which he cannot escape. He is a hunter, a fisherman, a herdsman, or a critical critic, and must remain so if he does not want to lose his means of livelihood; while in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic. This fixation of social activity, this consolidation of what we ourselves produce into an objective power above us, growing out of our control, thwarting our expectations, bringing to naught our calculations, is one of the chief factors in historical development up till now.
- Marx. The German Ideology.
Tl:DR work under capitalism fucking sucks because it's exploiting us and not fighting for your liberation is politically divisive
Well by that logic, merely saying "I have a job" is a political statement.
Also I'm not reading all that, thank you.
You'd be so close if your attention span was longer than a goldfish.
Also you can't talk shit about sonething and then admit you didn't read it.
Also also were not libs so nobody is impressed by you refusing to interact with things that don't already confirm your beliefs.
"I don't like my job" is so political people bled and died to the american government for your right to not have to do it 80 hours a week as a 12 year old.
Here let me give you the codex.
When this person says "political" they mean "things I dont agree with"
im not even a conservative but someone post hardcore conservative memes to show the communists why non-stop spamming their ideology is annoying
edit: the responses prove my point
If conservatives were funny we probably wouldn't be having this conversation, you are right.
Are we supposed to read every post and every comment even if we don't like it ?
That seems so unfair ! We should have a right not to read posts and comments if we find them about a subject we don't want to interact with right then.