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I love EVERYTHING there except
Saved servers and settings will not be migrated from Jellyfin Media Player.
I can fix it, and it's no big deal, but I provide services to friends and family who'll need me to walk them through it.
That's the stuff where we lose out to corporate products.
That's the stuff where we lose out to corporate products.
They sometimes lose things as well.
And they harrass their users in other ways, for example by randomly renaming stuff to "AI..." or even integrating with AI.
100%
Ads, selling private data, adding AI, cutting features.
I just need JF to be in the same neighborhood as the corporate stuff for security and end-user ease of use. I can do a hell of a lot of complicated stuff on my end, but walking grandma through a change is painful.
The fact that jellyfin let's you sort your media exactly the way you want without promoting or hiding content already puts JF miles ahead any commercial streaming services. The ease of mind is unbeatable.
I absolutely hate what Plex has become. I bought a lifetime pass a long, long time ago, and ever since that purchase, they seem to have done nothing but strip features I need and force features I don't want.
Now if we could just sort the jf collections type in ways other than by date ;)
That looks specific to jf desktop, do you have many users using that?
One too many apparently :)
I'll survive.
The tizen version is finally close to release. I don’t use a Samsung TV but in-laws do and I don’t like installing the dev version.
Yeah, the Tizen app will be huge for me. I’ve been dual-running Plex and JF specifically because a few of my users have Tizen devices. And there’s no way I’d be able to explain sideloading to my “throws up their hands and says it’s too complicated as soon as they see anything unexpected” relatives over the phone.
Luckily, I got a lifetime PlexPass like a decade ago, before JF even existed. So it’s not like supporting Tizen is costing me anything extra.
This general attitude towards giving up when something becomes unfamiliar is wild to me, because in any discipline they're even slightly good at, they'd take a minor hurdle as a learning experience, plus they have you to walk them through it, so it really isn't a big deal.
This was made abundantly clear when I installed the Jellyseerr app (basically just a webapp) on my Dad's phone, logged in for him and walked him through this process:
"That's too complicated I'll just ask you when I want to watch something"
I sent him a Signal message in a new group called "Jellyfin guide". It should be easy to find since I'm his only Signal contact.
Just follow the guide.
A week later, "hey can you download this for me?"
It’s learned helplessness. They hit a roadblock they couldn’t figure out, and instead of trying again, they just went “well I guess this tech stuff isn’t for me.” And now that’s the attitude they fall into every time.
It’s like if someone lost their first board game, and just wrote off board games entirely because they aren’t any good at them. And any time they do need to play a board game, they can just call their favorite nephew to play it for them.
Wow, so blessed to be the be the 'board game guy'. I sure do love being dependable and perceived as not valuing my time.
Is it a nativ tizen app? So far there was a webview which is ok but it's a webview
Just upgraded from 10.10. Seems to have gone well. Library scan still going.
E: Couldn't finish lib scan. Reverted to 10.10.
10.11 is still a hot mess for large home media collection. Especially one with images mixed in. The team doesn't even seem to prioritize fixing all of that before moving on building new features. Music collection are also slower and albums meta don't load correctly anymore. I would hold off from fully converting to it if you have a large collection
I do have a large collection and I haven't checked the music lib state yet. I have a zfs snapshot from before the upgrade so I could restore if shit hits the fan.
I honestly found it much better to create a new db for 10.11 vs migrating. Both took about the same amount of time but the fresh db has no issues and the migrated db has some hiccups like you described (and some others). Main downside is you lose watch status
SWIM has a sizable aged library - wouldn't be surprising with sqlite db corruptions by now - and absolutely no issues smoothly upgrading amd migrating to 10.11. Had sweaty upgrades a few times over the years but this was not one of them.
Honestly it's a testament to the devs that it mainly worked for most people as well as it did.
Like kudos to them. That was a huge, huge migration to a different library/format and they pulled it off.
10.11 first library scan will take AGES because of the new db changes or something. My library is huge (~100tb of media) and it took days. Subsequent scans are much faster, like 10-12 minutes on 10th gen Xeon (roughly i5 equivalent) for a full library scan.
Fucking hell. OK, I'll upgrade again and wait longer. Mine's ~15TB.
Do you have music? I don’t know this for sure but I also wonder if music collections slow things down. My music collection is pretty massive (like 40% of my storage) and it’s a shitload of files to index.
Thankfully I don’t put my books in jellyfin because my ebook/manga library is also pretty massive. If the apocalypse occurs I’m set for the 2-3 days I’d have power after the end of times
I do. It could be this:
After the migration it is recommended that you perform a full scan through the admin dashboard. We have observed that for some users, some elements might not work properly otherwise (e.g parental ratings). As of RC8 a scan for missing metadata may be required for music libraries to function properly. The first scan after the migration might also take quite a bit longer than usual, though subsequent scans should be as quick as before.
From the release notes.
The last messages in the log are from music lib scanning. I'm leaving it be for now.
Interesting. I will say music is the weakest point of jellyfin db. Mine is currently good but I nuked my db for the new db style in 10.11 and created a new db, mainly bc of issues within music library. But this went back to like 10.9 and were probably from me fucking around in the db manually to try and override tags. I’ve since retagged my music as it was just the easier solution (artist ft artist got me all fucked up, I hated having 900 entries for like 1 artist who did frequent collabs)
https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/15070
This is the issue thread re the very long scanning after upgrading to 10.11
Edit: also one thing I learned from the db editing and again from the 10.11 migration is that the jellyfin db can get “stuck” in such a way that nothing I can find will overwrite db entries, even manually opening the db in an sql editor (which makes me think there are hard to find tables I could never track down but db stuff is not my forte so I dunno)
Wow.
Ok, I don't have anywhere near that amount of media, but MythTV takes seconds to rescan ~2TB of videos and maybe a minute to get any missing details like fanart, etc.
Similar amount for music - but I feed it the files after I've run them through Picard.
I've not done a complete rescan of eveything for ages, but from memory it's like an hour absolute tops. More like ~30 mins.
And that's on an underclocked CPU (for quietness).
I found the link
“Library scans are expected to take (way) longer in 10.11 because we are now a) properly validating all existing data and b) properly applying concurrency limits. Usually only the first scan after the upgrade takes significantly longer because it will fix some data inconsistencies we can not repair while doing the initial migrations. Any subsequent scan should be faster but if you add a lot of new files it will still take longer than before because of the concurrency limit.”
https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/15070
From the thread for people with more realistic media libraries like yours (5-20tb) the initial scan is more like a few hours. However, if you’re like me and hoard shit expect it to potentially take days
We were using Jellyfin to watch old episodes of Sherlock Holmes last night, during a break we switched over to playing a few songs I had thrown on there. The interface for movies and shows seems great but my spouse asked me, "why is there a shuffle option for shows?" To which I said idk, maybe if someone watches something like family guy it doesn't matter. But then when we were under my music section, I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to use shuffle. It was probably user error, but it seemed strange
Looks like when you're in a "mixed Playlist", whatever that means, the shuffle and loop buttons are removed from the interface of the audio player (AudioPlayerView.bs:148-159). I'm not sure why that is, but it seems like it's deliberate.
Yeah, apparently it's top/center for Android and web based, and not present for Roku. But thank you for that information. The other person who responded made me investigate. So I need to find the person earlier who said they program the Roku one, and suggest shuffle for entire music playlist., also make a donation lol
A mixed playlist is a playlist of mixed media. Movies, shows, audio, etc. all mixed together in a single playlist.
Which client were you using? Android? Roku? etc.
I run the server from Mint, play from Roku client. I have a copyparty server set up on that mint sever as well, and we resorted to pulling up the website and having a 80s competition, trying to top the other but not by much so we didn't go to what we thought would be the best song right aways, which we played from our phones so the other could scroll and look. Hers Samsung, mine Motorola, so both android.
Edit: Just checked the Android app for jellyfin. It appears we jumped from jellyfin to copyparty to early, the jellyfin app has the shuffle button.
At least we still made it fun
The 'Experimental' layout is now enabled by default for all non-TV devices, introducing a new navigation layout and updated UI components.
Anyone got pictures?
ahhh I've been waiting for a new layout, too bad i probably won't get to use it since they won't fix the bug/feature that keeps the pc awake and screen on with a black image after an episode finishes (when autoplay off). will be forever stuck in player 1.9.1.
Android TV / Chromecast: subtitles are broken since November for external players. Literally stopped watching my shows.
I found 2 major issues on subtitle for external played,
Because of this, now I use built in player until it's solved
This is why I don't update unless absolutely necessary. I'm only running a local instance so it is less of a security issue. Once I land on a working version, I'm gonna go ahead and stick with that as long as I can.
I will say that the 10.11 update for me was a freaking nightmare with so different types of failures.
I'm still waiting the ability to remove seasons without deleting the media, especially since I now have ton's of duplicate season_xxxx seasons from the major version update, mucking up most of my seasons that I didn't have before.
Oh and chromecasting on the app is still a giant mess.
Still great to hear they're making progress.
Really with they would take security vulnerabilities seriously 😞
Because they are significant, and broad reaching.
Very exiting. I'm looking forward to the day I can finally ditch Plex
I changed to jellyfin a couple of weeks ago, and my wife and I both prefer jellyfin, by far. It's quicker and just looks better. We only use it for streaming local content, never used any other Plex features.