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I brought this up in my friend group, and, to quote one of them, the general consensus is "is it weird that I actually don't care"
We have had similar reactions to things like tracking by websites and other such cases. And to a certain extent, I get it: sometimes you just want your tools to work and move on with your life. And if that means that something you don't particularly use or immediately care about is worse, then that's just the cost of doing business.
Specially around "NSFW", a lot of people just don't engage with it in "public". They leave "NSFW" stuff to one on one conversations with people they are close with, if at all.
The thing is, I say "NSFW" in quotes because we have seen, repeatedly, that what might be NSFW is not just porn. It has been extended to things around identify, sexual health and so on. Never mind that "you don't care about privacy" until you realize that you were in a data breach and you now have to worry about malicious people getting you into financial peril by abusing your identity. Or worse.
I'm not sure how you get people to care, though, before things get bad enough.
Translation: we've been snooping on all of your chats and you didn't reference 6 or 7 in sequence more than is statistically likely due sometime currently over 18 years in age.
Bye bye Discord, you were never that good to begin with anyway.
I will never understand the move from forums to discord. when discord is the only way to get assistance, I go find another product.
Discord is terrible for assistance.
Search is ineffective, you have to actually fight the UI to go back to older messages, depending on the device there are still somehow cases in which you can't go back to the beginning of a thread. But thank you for putting a huge reminder that I am currently "reading through old messages", silly me, why would I want to do that.
Oh, you're trying to scroll down through old posts? Let me suddenly refresh the list for no reason and bring you back to the most recent ones. Everything past the third screen might as well not exist anymore.
And of course, there is the slight problem of every useful info written there being completely invisible to the rest of the internet.
You're booming. Discord search is fine but you dont even need to search. Seeking assistance is easy > join post > get notified when someone answers you.
Compared to forums where you have to create and account post an introduction then deep dive on the forum to make sure your question hasnt been asked before then write up s big detailed post only for the mod to remove your post because it was in the wrong place.
The point is the first step in getting assistance is checking you're not asking something that has been solved one hundred times before.
And you don't even need to be registered to do that in a forum. in fact you don't even need to know the forum exists, because search engines can find them for you.
You're just counting on people having nothing else to do than help people by repeating the same basic stuff forever.
I used to be of the opinion that searching history for issues was the best thing. But ive seen how many issues it creates and think its not worth it. Software is constantly being updated and the post from 6months ago is likely a completely different issue even if it sounds similar to yours.
Having access to real time individualized support for free is actually awesome from a user perspective. For devs they are able to let the community handle a lot of the requests and oversee that terrible advice isnt being shared.
What amazes me is how often there are a bunch of sweaty nerds in the chat willing to answer every lazy-ass question known to man.
If they expended a fraction of that effort on making a manual and a FAQ, they wouldn't even need a discord channel.
It was one of the first to make voice chat really really easy for gamers. Yes vent and ts existed before, but discord made it soooo easy and had integrated irc-style chat
It's easier to set up than a forum. I suppose. But messier.
A forum is much better suited for the purpose a lot of people are using Discord for.
They should be using Discord for voice chat and streaming, that's what it's good at. Use a fairly tool for what it does well. Not for what it does poorly.
For me it was replacement for Skype when it became shit in 2016
Fuck Discord is the common message now, but how about we amplify good alternatives? It'll be easier to tell Discord to fuck off if we're already set to move elsewhere.
Forum's, websites, all the shit we used to do.
The main thing I will miss from discord is the ease of streaming with a small group of friends. That was main reason we chose it over alternatives back in the day.
Ah yes let me open up a voice chat of a forum.
Mumble has a web client... You can integrate that into your forum.
Sometimes as a community organizer you gotta put effort into solutions.
Alternatives
Stoat chat is still and likely always will be a flaming pile of mismanaged trash.
Matrix doesn't actually support the features people actually use discord for. It's a great alterative to teams or business communications but as a discord alterative it's fucking awful.
I see rocket chat is used by the US Army and Air Force.
Not sure how secure that is.
And Mattermost is used by the US Air Force and Space Force, so same issue
Keep in mind everyone that Stoat still doesn't currently protect it's users information and is centralized. It doesn't use encryption but it is very seamless.
You can host your own Stoat instance but it doesn't communicate with the main one.
The devs have said they plan to add more security features in the future yet still don't make it a priority. The host of Stoat should be able to see everyone's messages, including in DM's, due to the lack of E2E encryption.
Once they add more security features I imagine they will be much more popular in general.
In my view, security isn't a feature, it's a design choice.
I have no ill wishes towards Stoat, but I've never seen a developer convincingly implement security after the fact.
What do i say to my friends to get them to leave? Ive already tried and they won't.
Sadly this change won't really affect them so they are not going to care. I've wanted to leave for a long time now.
What do i say to my friends to get them to leave? Ive already tried and they won't.
I just abruptly switched to Matrix and encouraged anyone who wanted to get a hold of me to do the same, held my ground and did not look back, now a good handful of my friends have a Matrix account.
Same.
If someone isn't willing to take a minimum amount of effort to stay in contact with me, then I'm not losing much if I don't ever talk to them again. They don't have to quit Discord, they just have to find me elsewhere.
I joined a Matrix group, and the UX frustrated one person so much, they just quit. Kinda surprised me some people care about UX that much. I guess I'm used to using software developed by hobbyists, lol.
Just leave.
I hope me being in 30 different coomer discords helps me out
They've outright said you will need to verify regardless of what your current usage is.
Everything I've said is everybody is categorize as a teen unless the provide face/ID verification. So anonymous should still be allowed in general, just not to servers/channels set as age restricted.
Correct, takeaway being that being they're not going to assume you're an adult because you're in a shit ton of coomer discords.
My group mostly only uses discord for video chat during D&D. Is there a recommended alternative? We don't use ANY of the other features. I'm looking into jitsi now.
Matrix (what some call element, element is a matrix client) has end to end video conferencing and is decentralized like Mastodon
Haven't used it for a few years, but Jitsi was great if all you need is video chat
Is there a fediverse alternative for Messenger? Because I currently partially use Discord as a non-Meta alternative.
Stoat has been recommended a lot, and it appears to be open source.
Matrix is fanstastic
Matrix voice and video chat is sadly under-equipped for the only kind of thing I want (team gaming and screen share). They are working on moving to a new realtime media transport but until it manifests I can't see it as an alternative. I've read about Revolt and some others but I don't see anything that seems capable. Happy to be corrected on this!
EDIT: it looks like Element Call is more or less ready, might try setting up a server this weekend.
It has been absolutely seamless with zero issues for me, but I’m a relatively recent adopter with low traffic just for friends.
Only problem is that its only available in the official element app but thats not a dealbreaker for me.
Signal is ok. SimpleX theoretically has better privacy guarantees (metadata privacy, more decentralized). Matrix is ok for communities; I think it exposes a lot of metadata though (who you are talking to, not what you're talking about).
It was fun knowing you all! See you around.
Deleting my account
Shrek image still works?
