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[–] WormFood@lemmy.world 121 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

my mum bought a fairphone 3 about 5 years ago and is extremely happy with it, so far she's gone through one usb-c port and one battery. it looks and feels exactly like a normal phone but it pops open with just 4 screws. helping her fix it has taught me that phone manufacturers could make repairable phones easily and they all just choose not to

[–] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 45 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I used to run a small electronics repair business and you are 1 billion percent correct. Slowly watching things over the years become unrepairable was just such an obvious business decision for profit over customer satisfaction. There is absolutely no reason to make those changes unless you have a profit driven motive. So so so many electronics used to be like the fairphone your mom has. Pop it open, take out what's broke, replace it with some OEM or 3rd party part you bought for like 2 dollars and you're all set. It's so frustrating nowadays with how purposefully difficult manufacturers make any repairability. Can't even change a damn battery in your phone now! lol

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[–] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Man I remember when my Mom was actually able to fix a VCR at home with simple tools as well. That VCR lasted as long as sears repaired shops and then they were out of business and the VCR was out for good.

[–] Lembot_0006@programming.dev 82 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

The situation won't improve until some big company goes full "IBM PC" thing with open AT, ISA, VESA, etc tier standards for phones.

This phone is better just because you can open the case. Spare parts are still provided by a single company. Not a big step ahead.

Better than nothing though...

[–] CatLitterArchitect@piefed.social 47 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Better than Nothing though.

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[–] circledot@feddit.org 60 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

If it supported GrapheneOS I would be using one too.

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 70 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

The choice of only supporting Pixels comes from GrapheneOS's side, not Fairphone. Fairphone got some great ROMs support, and even have an official partnership with one of them (e/OS).

[–] ruplicant@sh.itjust.works 40 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I love Fairphones, but GrapheneOS developers are very clear on why they son't support phones other than Pixels. If other phones complied with those requirements, they would support them. I really hoped the OEM they're working with to support from another brand would be Fairphone, but the most educated guess I've seen is Motorola

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[–] theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes but also no, the fairphone doesn't meet the extensive list of requirements required to maintain the goal of GrapheneOS - List of requirements for devices

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Some of those requirements are really hard to get for non-Google devices. EOM don't get updates as early as Google engineers gets. It takes time to validate everything, especially since their don't control their own hardware.

Those requirements are more a way to not appear like dicks by telling that they'll only supports Pixels.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

GrapheneOS developers are quite dickish about what they are willing to implement and how they treat their users. They work under the assumption that GrapheneOS is for people afraid of being hacked (like actively targeted by state level actors) and refuse to add anything that in their view compromises security. So for example they refuse to add pattern unlock because they think it's less secure than PIN which is silly because I can just use '0000' PIN which is as insecure as any pattern. It's the same with supporting other phones. Personally I'm not worried about police trying to hack my phone, I just want deGoogled system with tracker protection. GrapheneOS devs don't care. It's all or nothing with them. I would recommend iode over Graphene to anyone not as paranoid as the devs.

[–] ruplicant@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

They can be dickish about several things, but they will implement whatever they want, it's their project LOL! They actually develop a mobile operating system for people afraid of being hacked, and with the utmost security in mind.

The thing with pattern unlock is that it is inherently less secure than the other options, despite the fact that you can use one of the other options in bad ways (like the '0000' PIN). Expecting them to change this is using the lowest common denominator possible, which is against their philosophy.

You do have other options if you want to deGoogle, like LineageOS, that supports a much wider range of devices (altough the extent of deGoogling can be limited). It's good we have one ROM (among others) with paranoid devs - we have more options

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[–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

I'm running e/os on my FP6 and it's a great de googled alternative!

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[–] danciestlobster@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah unfortunate that it doesn't, I imagine the market overlap for those two things is high

[–] pet1t@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

every post about fairphone, there's always one comment like this

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[–] termaxima@slrpnk.net 57 points 3 weeks ago (23 children)

I want GrapheneOS more than repairability, personally. I hope the Fairphone + GrapheneOS combination is possible some day...

[–] Routhinator@startrek.website 26 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

The Graphene devs explicitly only support Pixels. Sticking with Graphene means continuing to give Google the profits from your hardware.

/e/OS is not bad as an alternative. The system wide ad and tracker blocking is nice.

[–] mal3oon@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

This is a big issue that the fairphone doesn't have its dtb open yet. It's not easy to build ROM for it. Despite their core claim of sustainability, without addressing the blobs, it remains just a tad more convenient for green minded people. We need a full Fairphone.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago

That's fair and all, and I see your point. A 100% "fair" phone is the end-goal.

Butin the battle against corporate douche-baggery, if we keep making perfect the enemy of good, we'll never get anywhere.

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

/e/OS is not bad as an alternative. The system wide ad and tracker blocking is nice.

I switched to e/os on a couple of motorolas that supported it and it's great so far.

The comparisons to GrapheneOS are fair to some degree, but also not. Graphene is meant to be privacy and security hardened, whereas e/OS, while it is more secure than regular android, is more concerned with privacy hardening. The biggest misconception people have seems to be thinking that privacy and security are the same thing; and while that is true on the surface level, security (a la GrapheneOS) goes much deeper.

So while my phone may not be as "hack resistant" as a GrapheneOS, it's degoogled and very protective of tracking, which is what I'm primarily concerned with. So I'm happy.

I just wish I could afford a fairphone in Canada.

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[–] noname_no_worries@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I just bought a refurbished (as new) Pixel 9 to use Grapheneos.

Saved ~50% and didn't pay Google.

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[–] GlenRambo@jlai.lu 31 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Wow. Two FP posts in a night. Paste of my comment.

Faiphone is being frog marched out of Australia. Each telco is shutting it down and blocking IMEIs. Sucks for the people that imported them.

Cant even use it as data only. So unless you use it as puerly on WiFi it's going to landfill. 😔.

[–] narinciye@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Any links to this story please? Couldn't find any

[–] GlenRambo@jlai.lu 13 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Search Telstra 3G shutdown. They were the first to block all in 2024 (and can confirm still blocked) Optus is now blocking on the 10th March. There's one telco left in AU. Everyone else sells one of these three.

Much discussion in this FP5 thread. https://forum.fairphone.com/t/3g-network-closure-australia

Despite what people say the phone works and has all requirements for the network, VoLTE calling and emergency calling. The telcos tho don't want to take a risk with "unknown" modems. So they disable network.

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[–] 18107@aussie.zone 10 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I have a fairphone 6 in Australia with no issues.

Can you elaborate?

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[–] Mihies@programming.dev 28 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It all boils down to drivers, if those are not open source (and they usually are not), then phone upgradability depends on them

[–] unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth 22 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Yes and no, Fairphone has actually managed to reverse engineer some of the drivers for its old phones to provide android upgrades years after the component manufacturers have dropped support. The Fairphone 2, for instance, received a little over 7 years of support and 4 major version upgrades, skipping one on the way. For the Fairphone 5, they've promised 10 years of software support, and judging by their track record, I believe them. They also open source as much as they can and even give instructions on how to build the OS yourself.

Of course, open source drivers would be better, but that doesn't exist at the moment, unfortunately. At this point, Fairphone is one of the companies that comes closest (with Shiftphone being a close rival).

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[–] Mihies@programming.dev 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

That said, I like FP very much, but it'll eventually hit the software block.

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[–] FediStardust@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

I recently moved from an iPhone 11 Pro to a Fairphone (Fairphone Gen 6), and it’s been a genuinely great change.

It’s made me realise how little I actually use most of the features you end up paying extra for in flagship phones. Because of that, I’m really looking forward to keeping this device for five years or more.

The only thing I occasionally miss is camera quality especially at concerts or when travelling but it’s a small trade-off rather than a deal-breaker. I’d love to see future Fairphone models improve on this.

Hopefully, Fairphone helps set a trend as more people start looking for products that are ethically sourced, repairable and built to last.

[–] Mailloche@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago

Ya I just want to browse , bank, text and msg and call.

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[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Has anyone tried loading KDE Plasma Mobile onto one of these?

[–] 20dogs@feddit.uk 13 points 3 weeks ago

The Fairphone team has tried to help with mainline Linux support: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Fairphone_(Gen._6)_(fairphone-fp6)

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 weeks ago

Well they finally delivered a decent camera. That's what made me buy one. It's a step down from a Pixel 8 Pro but not a huge one.

[–] _g_be@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I really value the camera on my phone, since it is essentially my main camera and I enjoy taking pictures. I might rather lean into graphene-ing this pixel than a fair phone, unfortunately. But probably not purchase a future pixel, since they abandoned the physical SIM slot

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[–] me_myself_and_I@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

I replaced the power button and battery on my android phone. Managed to fix it by watching YouTube tutorials.

[–] LemmyEntertainYou@piefed.social 10 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

I've been running a Fairphone 6 for about 6 months now and it's by far the buggiest phone I've ever used. I'd love to keep using it until the security updates stop but it's already such a miserable experience already I can't imagine how bad it'll be in a few years time.

[–] ohshittheyknow@lemmynsfw.com 28 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Can you elaborate on how it has been buggy? What kind of issues have you come across?

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[–] hitstun@feddit.online 9 points 3 weeks ago

I've been using a Fairphone 4 for a couple weeks, and I like it so far. This is the way phones should be made. I eventually found replacements for most of my Google stuff. It's just sad that my government burned our bridges with trade, so any replacement parts I import will be expensive.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

I am leaning toward Fairphone to replace my Apple.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm interested in this brand and their Gen 6. I kind of wish I was in the market for a phone. Unfortunately I bought a used Pixel 6 three years ago and everything is just fine with it 😄

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

My 5yo Pixel 6 inflated just last Friday. I panic-ordered a Pixel 9a, but since Google didn't fulfill my supplier's shipment, I cancelled and switched to a Fairphone today. It'll arrive tomorrow. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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