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"This is it. We're dead. We're going to die right here in the Waymo."

This combined with another recent article from some insiders at Tesla saying, along the lines, "You couldn't pay me to let one of these things drive me somewhere."

And yet I still know people who are just so chuffed about "never having to drive again."

EDIT: Comments have pointed out that this story is, at best, overblown and semi-fabricated otherwise. Take it with a massive grain of salt. But feel free to discuss self-driving, waymo, etc in the comments!

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 13 hours ago

TFW The Blues Brothers sneaks into your training data.

[–] BlindPenguin@lemmy.world 73 points 1 day ago (6 children)

If only there was some kind of system, that could take multiple people from A to B, with only one dude in front to keep track of what the automated system is doing. Ideally on some form of predictable track, that makes sure that the vehicle always stays in line without the need of advanced AI. Someone should invent that.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 hours ago

Save us Elon!

[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 hours ago

CHOO CHOO! CHUGGA CHUGGA CHOO CHOO!

[–] shaman1093@lemmy.ml 1 points 15 hours ago

Had to check which sub I was in lol

[–] Unstoppable_Flop@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They could even make them underground so they don't clog up the city!

[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Might sound crazy, but we might be able to link multiple vehicles together as needed for capacity so they'll move as one!

[–] Unstoppable_Flop@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

Alright now you've crossed over into impossible science fiction

[–] 73ms@sopuli.xyz 1 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

We do still have taxis even in countries where mass transit is well maintained and popular. They're also not the perfect form of transportation for everyone as people can have disabilities causing limited mobility etc.

Automating things like trains also seems to have been a very slow process.

[–] VAK@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Accessible trains and buses exist and are commonplace

[–] 73ms@sopuli.xyz 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

it's a very narrow view of accessibility to think the whole problem is solved by making an accessible bus you can get on with a wheelchair. Limited mobility affects your ability to get to the bus stop and it comes in many forms. Visually impaired people also benefit.

[–] VAK@lemmy.world 1 points 58 minutes ago

Maybe you've not experienced public infra that is upto standard. What sort of disability have you got btw?

[–] BlindPenguin@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

Literally every single city bus in my small German 50k home town is wheelchair accessible. The bus drivers are also required to assist. And the trains are increasingly being replaced with similarly accessible versions, including modifications to the platforms to allow easy entry. U-Bahn trains are, as far as i know, always accessible for a long, long time now. At least in the cities i've visited so far. For example Munich: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3CA46JXd2g

For less connected areas, we have a "Rufbus", that can come and collect you similarly to a taxi service. They try to get multiple people if they can. And they also have cars for wheelchair users at their disposal.

In terms of automating, yes it's slow. Regulations have to be applied or worked out to make it work. Which is reasonable. Nuremberg does have the first driverless U-Bahn, though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_U-Bahn

Nuremberg driverless U-Bahn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDLpcgXLKZA

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That is crazy talk. There would not be nearly enough shareholder value in such a system.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

If they could be built here they would already be built. Q.E.D.

[–] awesomesauce309@midwest.social 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In a sane world a regulatory body pulls their fleet from the roads until they can prove they are safe to a third party. Instead they get a self imposed slap on the wrist with a promise to return soon

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 3 points 14 hours ago

In a sane world people would laugh at these cars and not use them until they are bankrupt

[–] Folstar@lemmus.org 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Waymo offered the rattled occupant $40 worth of free rides" Time to lawyer up. I'm guessing that even in our car loving society there are cases of reckless drivers who endangers passenger lives being sued.

Also, I missed the part where Waymo was ticketed in this and every other story about these renegade cars.

[–] rmrf@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Surprised they didn't at least offer free access to gemini pro for a month, too

[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 32 points 1 day ago (4 children)

All industrial equipment is required by law to have an e-stop. Not having one in a "self-driving" car is criminal.

Being trapped in an autonomous vehicle driving erratically should have never, ever been possible. Shows you how these companies value the safety of the humans involved: they don't.

[–] foo@feddit.uk 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I thought they did have a stop button. I recall a video James May made of a Waymo that had one. I could be wrong. But, the article doesn't say anything about whether one was present and if the occupants tried it.

Edit: I just got home and rewatched the video. No, there's no emergency stop button. There is a "pull over" button on the passenger touchscreen console and the app, but that's about it. A bit concerning!

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

The above post is now under surveilance in Philadelphia.

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

An emergency stop is better than nothing, but they should ALSO have an emergency "let me take control". Sometimes stopping does not decrease the danger.

Example: the waymo enters a rail crossing with flashing lights, and the barriers close with the car inside. The waymo sees the barriers so it stops. What you want in that case is accelerate and get the fuck out of there. If you have a baby in the backseat, there may not be enough time to get the baby and get out of there on foot.

[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is the fundamental problem with automated cars and remote (or embedded) kill switches: they can never account for the edge cases that humans can readily adapt to. People will die as a result of those edge cases. Will it save more than it costs in human life, and are we willing to make that trade as a society? I can't answer that but neither can the people making the decisions to make Waymo profitable over public safety.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The terrifying incident underlines the very real dangers of relying on autonomous vehicles for ride shares, while they still suffer from nagging technical shortcomings

I don't care if they have a perfect driving record or not, anything autonomous MUST be equipped with clearly visible emergency stop buttons, why the fuck aren't those there?

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

Consent just isn't a concept to the people who make these things.

[–] VirtigoMommy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago

It would be so easy to implement a big red “oh fuck” button that, notifies customer service, puts the car into limp mode, and directs it to pull over.

[–] Sawblade02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sounds like they need to change the name to Delamain and market it as a feature.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was surprised these things were allowed on public streets without first being certified by some strict regulatory body.

I WAS surprised, since I used to suffer under the delusion that someone, somewhere was looking out for public safety, at least on some basic level. Like the FDA, USDA, OSHA, etc. But, these institutions were so easily gutted and pushed aside, and the traffic laws we do have aren't nearly enough for regulating self-driving cars. We've always just allowed shit to happen as long as there are no existing laws to challenge it.

They kicked corporate money out of politics in Hawaii, that can't happen fast enough in every other state. Imagine having common sense measures put before the people, like "should we allow self-driving cars on public streets before there are laws to regulate them?" and NOT having corporate money flow into the state to shift public opinion and buy off local politicians.

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago

I work in transportation regulation. I understand your fear and frustration. What is happening with self driving cars is probably as stupid as you believe. However regulations are pretty reactive and in some ways good regulations should be. You can't regulate what you don't understand and you can't understand what has never been done before.

The best approach is to start small and work directly with a regulator to create an initial trial and evolve the regulatory framework that ensures safety for the trial period. Then that framework can be used for future trials by other companies before being finessed into an official regulation. Then you have something which you know CAN be successfully implemented by companies AND does produce good safety outcomes.

Is that what's happening? It probably was, initially. But as you said the public service is gutted and now corpos are having a wild west free run at this AI car thing. Good luck on the streets, we're soon all gonna need it.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (9 children)

And yet I still know people who are just so chuffed about "never having to drive again."

I mean, I think that part is 100% understandable. I get that many people in fact enjoy driving, but likewise, many people do not. For many a driving commute is the most anxiety inducing part of their day, and they'd be happy to be rid of it.

That's the promise that self driving cars present. They just aren't actually capable enough yet. From what I gather though, waymo is probably the farthest along of any of these companies. I don't think I'd trust them for complicated Boston area driving though. To many narrow, winding roads complete with active road work, aggressive drivers, rotaries, etc...

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[–] Broadfern@lemmy.world 188 points 2 days ago (14 children)

”never having to drive again”

Y’know I can’t put my finger on it but something tells me that there’s an alternative to that without technofascist wet-dream robocars involved 🤔

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[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Machinery is required to have a big red STOP button that will immediately stop all moving parts. For emergencies. I assume these cars don't have something like that? Maybe they should be required to; stop and unlock all doors.

/edit: I see it's mentioned/suggested in some other comments as well.

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