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Apple tried to blame the EU for its Siri AI mess, and the EU called them out publicly (www.androidheadlines.com)

submitted 12 hours ago by sanitation@lemmy.today to c/technology@lemmy.world

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[–] Redjard@reddthat.com 2 points 33 minutes ago

Never mind the privacy implications. Could you imagine if a rogue actor got into the system-level of your iPhone, disguised as an AI assistant?

I don't see the point here. Assistants are inherently untrustworthy. They are unreliable, and can be taken over vy hostile actors. Or, from Apples perspective, by the user.
You can't let users jailbreak their phones using siri prompt injection, and you can't let siri perform any system actions or exfiltrate data without confirmations because it could go rogue or be taken over by some prompt smuggled into it by a hostile actor.
If you have to safeguard it anyway, and it is untrustworthx anyway, you already have to make it withstand everything an untrustworthy 3rd party implementation could do.

[–] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 1 points 49 minutes ago* (last edited 6 minutes ago)

I kinda get Apple’s point though. They designed the AI cloud to be super private. Letting customers use other models invites abuse of their data. You know there are advertisers and sketchy data brokers lining up to have all your contacts, calendar, to dos, notes, photos, and other personal information sent to their servers and the media will sharpen their knives to blame Apple when abuse occurs, even if they did it to appease the EU.

[–] ravelin@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 hours ago

Could you imagine if a rogue actor got into the system-level of your iPhone, disguised as an AI assistant? That would be a huge headache and nightmare.

What is AI if not a rogue actor? Seems to me like Europe not getting Siri AI is Apple threatening them with a good time.

[–] elvith@feddit.org 28 points 8 hours ago

Never mind the privacy implications. Could you imagine if a ~~rogue actor~~ US tech giant like Apple or Google got into the system-level of your phone, ~~disguised as an AI assistant~~? That would be a huge headache and nightmare.

Wait...

[–] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 74 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

The last paragraph feel more like the authors opinion, which is a bit weird on an Android website.

I agree with the EU on this one though, I hate walled gardens and the EU is doing good work.

[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

https://www.macrumors.com/2026/06/09/eu-says-decision-not-to-launch-siri-ai-in-europe-is-apples/

There you go. I saw it on MacRumors yesterday. It's weird to see Apple stuff on an Android site, but Android Police used to review iPhones when they came out. They'd give them an honest try. Reviews even varied from "decent phone but I loved going back to Android" to "I could use this and be happy but I still prefer Android." I think they gave them a fair shake.

[–] warm@kbin.earth 15 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The comments on that post are crazy delusional. How do you end up so far in a corporations pocket?

[–] baguette@piefed.social 11 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

And they all go quite when Apple politely obliges to whatever China demands from them. That site is the definition of toxic-fanboyism. So many commenters their blindly believe every declaration Apple makes.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 6 hours ago

There's one comment in there lamenting the lack of innovation from the EU. You know the continent that contains CERN. Yep ain't no innovation going on over here, it's amazing we even got internal plumbing.

But then again Americans aren't the smartest tools in the shed.

[–] sanitation@lemmy.today 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

What does China do?
China smartphone companies just install their own ai providers I suspect.

Edit. Oh .

Apple unveiled a dramatically improved Siri at WWDC 2026, but quietly confirmed that EU and China users won’t be getting it with iOS 27.

Lmao. Apple Loosers. Fucking incompetent cunts.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 22 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Here is Apple’s statement. They designed an API called “Trusted System Agent “ but the EU rejected it.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-delayed-in-eu-for-ios-27-and-ipados-27/

[–] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 16 points 10 hours ago

Well, they at least rejected letting Apple release without "Trusted System Agent" and a pinky promise it would be implemented in a year and a half...

[–] emmy5482@quokk.au 3 points 7 hours ago

"Designed" but did not implement. Pretty much says everything you'd need to know.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Apple? The company who fucked with their users/customers phone batteries from afar so they would have to purchase new products? That Apple?

[–] dogdeanafternoon@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

That’s not actually what happened. It’s kind of the opposite actually.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

No it's not. Apple failed to take battery degradation into account when designing their product, then tried to hide it surreptitiously while gaslighting their users.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I'm constantly being told by Apple fanboys that Apple is the only pro consumer silicon valley company in operation.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago

Whether Apple fan boy or a Maga representative, they both have an agenda that is a bit far from the truth.

[–] green_goglin@thelemmy.club 4 points 10 hours ago

Tim Apple gonna Tim Apple /s

[+] General_Effort@lemmy.world -12 points 10 hours ago (5 children)

Unclear what Apple could even do here.

The obvious answer would be, let people take the risk if they so chose. But the EU also demands security, so that isn't much of an option. It makes no sense.

[–] kaotic@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

Eh, I do get your logic and it makes some sense but they literally do it already for MacOS. Apps request access to os level controls and you have to go in and say yes this app has access to control my computer.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Oh come on. That's a pathetic attempt at fanboying.

My God that was an incredibly whiny article I'm upset that I have to read that. Here's the only bit that actually has any substance to it. Emphasis is mine.

Given the serious risks to users, Apple designed a solution called Trusted System Agent — an intermediary that would allow virtual assistants to safely access the same features and capabilities as Siri AI for devices in the EU. Apple also shared a plan to launch Siri AI in the EU while gradually rolling out this new solution over an 18-month period. The European Commission said no. In fact, the European Commission did not agree to any of Apple’s proposals.

So Apple asked if they could just launch anyway and then maybe possibly introduce compliance in a year and a half. Yeah right of course the EU rejected that.

If Apple needs 18 months to introduce a proposed solution then what they can do is they can release the new Siri in 18 months with the proposed solution implemented. I'm sure if they come to the EU with that that will be accepted, which I'm sure the EU told Apple.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world -3 points 6 hours ago

If Apple needs 18 months to introduce a proposed solution then what they can do is they can release the new Siri in 18 months with the proposed solution implemented.

So you're agreeing with me?

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 20 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

What risk? I have an android and can select my agent if I want one.

People need to stop mystifying tech and excusing anti consumer products. What is the risk if I choose a different agent? Do they allow me third party keyboards or sms clients?

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world -4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

What risk?

That this is even a question, shows the problem with leaving it all to users.

We'll have to wait and see how Google responds to these demands. Android has been traditionally more open, but has recently been closed down more; not least because of EU demands for more security. It will be interesting.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Umm, so what. You want restrictions because part of the population is low IQ and tech illiterate? The fuck do I care, buy yourself a flip phone if you can't deal.

If you are "at risk", you probably shouldn't be near a computer or the internet.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world -2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Sheesh. I don't agree with the EU locking down Android. But I don't see either how it makes sense to punch this huge security hole into Apple's Walled Garden. Their customers expect, and pay for, a lot of hand-holding.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

You have to give your ID to watch porn for your security. You can't install unapproved apps for your security. Using a VPS is illegal for your security. Companies need to keep detailed information on you for your security. Can't have anything encrypted for your security.

Every shit decision lately has been for our security but mostly just seems to be about killing competition or destroying privacy.

As if they couldn't just solve it by putting a dev mode, but that would hinder profits which is the real reason for all this. The ones that want apple to hold their hand and lead them around like a child can just not use it.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

The EU is the reason that people use browsers other than Chrome, they've also the ones that forced Microsoft to allow browsers other than internet explorer in the first place so they're also the reason Chrome exists. All good things in their time.

There has been no risk from removing walled gardens. If any person is not comfortable for any reason about using any AI other than the included one then they are of course free not to make any changes. This is about choice and ensuring customers have choice. Meanwhile here is Apple acting as if the concept of an API is a revolutionary idea.

[–] Crit@lemmy.wtf 4 points 8 hours ago

Locking controls away from users is not security.

[–] glockenspiel@lemmy.world -3 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

EU demands security theater. They are attempting to force backdoors into all of these APIs and systems (including locally run AI) for the nanny state. Very unfortunate.

[–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago

Unless I misread it, they are denying the security theater approach and insisting that if it's rolled out, it must include the safeguards, not just saying they promise to have them ready in the next 18 months. Meanwhile other countries seem to be okay with implementing this before the safeguards are in place.

I'll just patiently wait for the next wave of 0days exploiting it.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 6 hours ago

You get the EU is not a single unified entity. It's not a government, they don't have any reason to want to spy on their citizens because they don't have citizens because they're not a government.

[+] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com -25 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Everyone here sucks, or whatever the term is in the "Am I the asshole?" threads when everyone is in the wrong.

Apple knows what the EU regulations are and as a company that wants to do business in the bloc, they have to abide by their rules. Also, China and the Middle East are stricter and Apple happily kowtows to them. And of course Apple bends over for the US regime as well. So what's different about doing it for the EU?

On the other hand, there's a reason there are no major companies operating out of the EU. The EU is where innovation goes to die. Like the US, it's tech rules made by people who neither understand nor love tech. EU does fight for their citizens, but the fact remains that the EU is also hurting its citizens here. Apple doesn't have to play ball, they can take their ball and go home, and still sell a lesser product to the EU for the same money. Apple is not going to take a loss here. Only people losing will be those living in the EU.

Apple says the EU wanted too much of your personal data. The EU didn't respond to that. All they really said was "Apple wanted a blanket exception and that is not an option." Apple still gets to wear its privacy hat, and the EU look like arseholes.

Also, I didn't read Apple's message as "blaming the EU." It was more that they just said due to the way things are over there, Siri AI will not be available there. Sure, they chose their words carefully, but my read on it was "it is what it is," not "it's all their fault." More of an "agree to disagree" kind of thing. Like "they want X, we want Z, we tried Y for a while but they won't budge and honestly we don't want to either, so this is what happens next." Now the citizens of the EU can just roll over and take it, or they can contact the EU leadership and whatnot and tell them they want less regulation. Who knows.

[–] Pringles@sopuli.xyz 4 points 7 hours ago

The EU is where innovation goes to die.

This is such bullshit. There are three principle reasons why the EU does not grow as many tech giants: 1. Venture capital is hard to cone by in the EU, 2. The language barriers and 3. The not-quite-finished-single market, with many countries not aligning their laws to the EU framework. 1 and 3 are actively being addressed and 2 is a disappearing issue as the younger generations aee all fluent in English.

To your point however, innovation has always been one of the strong suits of the European continent, much more so than monetization which is not a synonym.

[–] Franconian_Nomad@feddit.org 15 points 11 hours ago

I think there are major companies operating out of the EU. Airbus for example. And I’m sure there are more….

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

On the other hand, there's a reason there are no major companies operating out of the EU.

Yeah who's ever heard of Audi, niche car company that they are.

There's also that big particle accelerator who do you think paid for that? Private equity?

Like the US, it's tech rules made by people who neither understand nor love tech.

So if this were true the US would also be the land where innovation goes to die. Which actually on that point there are plenty of scientists that are leaving the United States because of its almost fearful attitude to intelligence.

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 1 points 3 hours ago

Why choose Audi out of all the possible examples? At least go with VW