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Burning Gas Pollutes So Much, Dirty EV Battery Manufacturing Evens Out In About 2 Years (www.jalopnik.com)
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[–] mysteryhumpf@feddit.org 190 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (49 children)

Burning gas is so extremely bad that even throwing away your old ICE car and buying a new electric car is better than driving the ICE car until it „falls apart“. This was the research finding in Switzerland, but this result was so unwelcome that the research got hidden away. https://www.republik.ch/2025/06/11/amtliche-selbstzensur

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 32 points 4 days ago (26 children)

oh wow I didn't know that!

would make sense to give more a lot incentives for EV buying if so!

[–] fulg@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (11 children)

I wish they weren’t so expensive though.

IMO the biggest incentive of all is that the battery exists for the life of the vehicle and can be recycled at the end (the lithium inside does not disappear!), vs the gas which is literally burning money away.

[–] GalacticRobot@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

They are getting a lot cheaper overall. The EV Bolt is less than $4k more than a Camry. In expensive places like California, or with gas as high as it is, you can quickly make back that additional cost and get ahead over time, especially if you are able to charge from home. And TBH the Bolt isn't that bad of a car, and get's great distance per charge.

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[–] GalacticRobot@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Everytime you bring it up, you get a whole lot of people with gasoline powered cars getting very angry. Sure batteries are not 'perfect', but they are a whole lot better in almost every way compared to gasoline powered vehicles.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago (25 children)

The anger is less about how bad EV's are and more about being expected to buy a hilariously expensive EV when someone has a perfectly functional car. Make them cheaper and people will buy them, because other than the environmental aspect EV's just require less maintenance overall, making them cheaper to run.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

but this result was so unwelcome that the research got hidden away.

the climate, oil industry did not like it was being contradicted.

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[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 68 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Oh wow, another EV thread with a bunch of oil industry mouthpieces telling us how the studies are wrong and what we didn't think of. Thank you Mr. Shell, I almost forgot not everyone has a charging point at their house and it takes time to charge an EV.

Color me surprised.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 37 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's fun to imagine an opposite world where everybody has EVs and other more efficient forms of transit, and then industry wants to introduce ICE vehicles to the market.

You fill it with flammable liquid poison and it shoots gaseous poison out the back while it's running, and nobody can refuel at home, and it's immensely more mechanically complex, but at least it's quick to fill with fuel at the fuel store! Just try not to inhale the poisonous explosive fumes or spill the poisonous volatile liquid on yourself while you do it.

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[–] nullspace@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Bro, didn't you know solar panels get hot when in the sun? Global warming!!

Clearly everyone should run a diesel generator in their living room just to be safe.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 4 days ago

Dude, it's the opposite problem. Where do you think the sunlight goes when it hits a solar panel? It sucks it all up! If we set up too many solar panels, they're going to use up all the sunshine and cool the globe until we have another ice age. Big brother petroleum has been saving us!

[–] NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Plus you don’t need to invest in an expensive charging station. We put a big outlet in our garage like you use for large appliances - it was a fraction of the cost, and the car charges overnight.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You may not even need that. A regular 110V outlet can charge an EV, just takes longer. Of course it depends on how much you drive whether that'll be enough. But many people have used that when they first get an EV, and planned on doing what you did and install a 220 outlet later, but then don't bother with the 220 since 110 is enough.

[–] Vex_Detrause@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes this! It's like 2 hrs of charging equals 1hr of driving. If the car is parked more than driving then it's enough. Maybe if you're a taxi driver or delivery driver all day then you might need the level 2 but most cases you don't.

[–] valkyre09@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I use the standard plug in charger at home. I get 12kw (45 miles) in my 7 hour off peak window. That coupled with free charging at work means I never needed to invest in the £1,000 7kw charger at home.

Everybody’s needs are different - my experience js just one of many. What I’m saying is if you’re reading this and think you need a big expensive charger at home, there are options!

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 19 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Most issues require nuance, and the internet does not have the concept of nuance at all. I did my research and bought my EV, no regrets at all. Not only do I know it's better because I haven't consumed gas now in over 2 years, it's also simply the best and easiest car I've ever owned. It's a no brainer to get one. Anyone who says otherwise I think firmly needs to think about their connection with propaganda.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm sure we'll eventually get to the point where they invent rapid charging batteries that can fully charge in 5 minutes. But realistically we don't need it, you just change the way you think about fuelling up.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 23 points 4 days ago

"We decided to let the earth and all living things on it die, as it would be too hard on the economy if we tried to save it". /s

[–] ejs@piefed.social 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

UMich research cited in the article estimates a carbon dioxide emissions per year (using constant mileage typical per year) break even time between EV and ICE SUVs to be 1.6-1.9 years.

Promising. But, is carbon dioxide emissions the only environmental impact? Humanitarian impact (e.g. rare metal extraction labor conditions)? I’m not an environmentalist researcher/academic. I wonder how accurately just one emissions prediction portrays the full picture.

[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 20 points 4 days ago

It's not like oil extraction and processing doesn't have it's issues, and you have to do that for every trip.

Once your battery is made, the materials are there and can (probably, needs some work) be recycled forever.

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[–] scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

I drive through Wyoming yesterday, and was struck by how much carbon one has to burn just to keep extracting oil, let alone refining it and shipping it.

[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 1 points 2 days ago

The Chinese uptake of EVs has saved 280,000 lives due to reduced emissions/pollution.

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