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[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

If yield rates aren't a good metric, what does he think is then? It's certainly not layoff numbers, or C-suite compensation.

If after all that investment you're only able to produce TEN PERCENT of the product successfully, that's a failure, by definition. Even if they quintuple the yields, that's still incredibly poor

[–] aaaa@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Gelsinger was hired as a known long time engineer, rather than as a business expert. I would trust his numbers from an engineering perspective, even though I was laid off under his rule

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 13 points 1 week ago

All depends on the maturity of the process. 10% for a new design on a bleeding edge process is possibly viable. You'll then tweak the design and process to get the yield up.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Only exception would be if they can produce those wafers at 1/10th of the previous cost, but I highly doubt that's the case.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

If it's 1/10 of the cost of purchasing them from TSMC, it's viable

[–] GorgeousWalrus@feddit.org 9 points 1 week ago

Yield over die area should be the metric.

If you have a chip that is 50% of the wafer area, a single fault will lead to a yield of 50%. Now compare it with a chip that is 1% of the wafer area, the same single fault gets a yield of 99%.

So comparing the yields of two processes without factoring in the die area is not a fair game.