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[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 167 points 23 hours ago (8 children)

So long as conservatives continue to exert exceptional effort to try and erase LGBT identity, people should attack Christian identity in equal measure. Tear down billboards with gospel on them. Deface publicly displayed crucifixes. Burn bibles in public.

[–] shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works 84 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Don't forget to remove churches from your communities..

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 25 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I believe in proportionality. So long as their current actions stay in damaging inanimate symbols that's where it should stay. If they were to Remove places significant to LGBT+, then I'd consider it. If they were to start straight up shooting LGBT+ people, well...

[–] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 42 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

These crosswalks were painted specifically in honor of the Pulse massacre where 50 LGBT+ people were murdered in 2016. 25 were injured or killed in a shooting in a Colorado Springs gay bar in 2022.

The shooting has been happening for years already.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 22 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

The Pulse shooter wasn’t a Christian, so that’s not really a good reason to start tearing down and burning churches.

Which, I can’t believe I need to say this, is bad. I grew up in a small community that embraced Christian homophobic and transphobic abuse as a virtue, I think Christianity on the whole is more negative than positive, and I still wouldn’t destroy a random church because it’s a church. That is fash shit. You don’t target random places of worship because that’s the religion of your enemy. What is this shit.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 21 points 21 hours ago

Christian billionaires do fund a lot of the anti gay conspiracy media. I would specifically focus on those entities.

[–] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 10 points 21 hours ago

I apologize, I'm with you on do not attack random churches and should have called that out myself in my first post and can see how what I said could be interpreted as supporting it.

I was trying to point out that LGBTQ+ people are already under physical threat and have been and the first person's point about waiting until they are getting shot to take further action was passed already. I think the real physical threat is not understood by many. I do not think the action should be burning down random churches.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 7 points 21 hours ago

Tit for tat is a good tactic, usually. There is something to be said for a chilling effect, or "intimidation", as a way to not just punish current behavior but to forestall future escalation. The only key is that it needs to be selective, and not permanent, and then extremely reversed when they switch to cooperation.

They preach hate, you destroy their landscaping and signage. They remove your memorial and you burn down their building.
Meanwhile you praise the episcopal church and very visibly support fundraisers by the united Methodist Church.

It only alienates the people who were already too far gone. Others will tut at the disproportionate response but agree to the middle ground of "it's self defense, so it's justified in principle".

Gotta shift the center somehow.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 33 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (4 children)

That is what they want.

Right wing shitheads have been trying to paint themselves as the victims for decades. "The War On Christmas" being one of the best examples. And as much fun as it would be to burn down a church (but not Korean Jesus, that dude is okay), all it will do is provide them the evidence they have been trying to manufacture all this time.

Because news media won't be reporting "As retaliation for the murder of a trans person, a bible was ceremonially burned". It will be "The fucking gays are burning your bibles, go get them"

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 37 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

They've been riding their train of manufactured victimhood and rage for decades and found great success, they don't strictly need a reason to abuse people.

Staying your hand because your enemy might get angry and retaliate is the mindset of the battered housewife. People should stand up for themselves even if that means violence in the end.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 12 points 22 hours ago

I mean, they’re going to claim it’s happening even if it isn’t. May as well try in that case.

[–] mcbenavides85@piefed.social 11 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Funny because if they knew their history, the original people that had a war on Christmas was Christians.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

In the sense of stealing yule celebrations to attack Germanic people? Yes

In the sense of "Those pagan bastards are defiling the celebration of our lord and savior's birth"? "The War On Christmas" is a tried and tested method of mobilizing the troops.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 7 points 20 hours ago

Also in the sense of literally trying to outlaw Christmas. The Bible doesn't describe a Christmas festival and celebration, so many Christians felt that it was improper and unchristian for a very long time.

In the US the only real war on Christmas was fought by Christians. The soviets, the CCP and briefly the French revolutionaries are the only times atheists have actually pushed against it. The Nazis were in favor of a pro-nazi version of Christmas that was more about the state.

[–] mcbenavides85@piefed.social 4 points 22 hours ago

Even then. Constantine favored Christianity for the empire and settled “the birth of Christ” during the popular Solstice festivals to gain more traction for people.

But yes I understand what you’re saying and modern “Christians” just love to play victim.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago

Right wing shitheads have been trying to paint themselves as the victims for decades.

Ok. Time to make them actual victims.

This isn't fun and games anymore. They've ramped up their oppression. They've made it clear they are our enemies and won't stop until their boot is firmly on our necks, indefinitely.

If you don't end up fighting the schoolyard bully, they bully you forever.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 9 points 18 hours ago

There's a significant number of LGBTQ+ friendly churches in Orlando. Presumably some of the dead could have been members of those churches. A religious-freedom argument could be made to sue for reinstatement of the memorial. I remember the time UCC and Unitarian churches sued for the right to perform gay marriages in a red state before it became legal nationwide.

[–] mcbenavides85@piefed.social 14 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

In my city, I always see the stupid billboard that says “THINK GOD” and I always fantasize about climbing up there and putting a big red X on GOD so it just says THINK.

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 1 points 3 hours ago

I see that shit a lot too. And i live somewhere, where i don't even know anyone who is a real Christian who believes all that crap. No clue for whom it's for and how anyone looks at these and think: good thing they don't pay taxes so they have enough money to advertise to no one and hide their kiddy fuckers.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

In the Scandinavian countries there are some folks burning down churches. Food for thought. 🤷‍♂️

Considering the nature of the Pulse shooting being a hate crime grounded on religious principles, and this is a memorial to that hate crime… it wouldn’t be too surprising if a proportionate response were to occur.

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 19 hours ago

The problem is that they already use this as scare to affect people who would otherwise be neutral that days, trans, atheists are after them.

The people who are responsible for this don't truly believe in God, they are using God to control other people.

They successfully painted trump as some kind of Christian savior, while he is embodiment of the 7 deadly sins and is much closer to be an antichrist.

[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 0 points 16 hours ago

I don't understand how people aren't killing each other out right to be honest.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works -2 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

But like, other people right? You wouldn't want to end up in jail yourself.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 2 points 20 hours ago

I would never advocate or incite for imminent lawless action. I would advocate for a change in public policy that included things currently held to be illegal.
As long as it makes a difference, the first amendment protects your right to advocate for changes to law and policy. You just can't tell people to right now go and break a specific law if you have reason to believe they might.

"People should shoot maga fascists dead in the street and hang them from lampposts" is protected because it's saying what society should do, not actively calling for people to go do this.

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

You got me, officer. I'm a coward who's all talk, I would never do anything I described.

[–] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

If anyone created a high powered paint sprayer that could do it from the ground, I'm sure various people would use it to deface things. Not me obviously, but others would

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Those already exist (they are basically just pressure washers). And plenty of protesters and activists DO use them.

Hell, a drone, a can of spray paint, a radio, and a servo can go a long way if you really want to.