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[–] doug@lemmy.today 102 points 1 day ago (5 children)

sadly I’ll likely support them through any shitty decisions they make as they are the only viable non-chromium alternative these days.

I get they’re chasing the buck and trying to stay relevant, but uhhhh… if they could be less Steve Buscemi-teen about it, that’d be great.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 70 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I strongly believe that the EU should fund Mozilla, or a fork of Firefox.

Gecko is the only viable competitor to Blink/WebKit, and it is needed

[–] kunaltyagi@programming.dev 2 points 3 hours ago

Maybe funding components would be better than funding mozilla. Eg: 2 engineers for Gecko

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 58 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Govts around the world should be funding all sorts of FOSS projects. I know they do to some degree but not much. It benefits the whole world and only hurts big tech.

[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 13 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

That prospect becomes less and less likely the more government is bought and paid for by Big Tech.

[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 3 points 4 hours ago

This is what people don't understand. Those in power, whether they're part of the government, a wealthy CEO, or a religious leader, will do what benefits themselves if they think they can get away with it. We keep talking about powerful organizations and what they could do to benefit everyone, but fail to realize that powerful people don't want to benefit everyone.

They only do what benefits everyone if they feel like they can't get away with just doing what benefits themselves. It's our responsibility to make sure they don't think they can get away with it, and clearly strongly-worded letters and quippy signs held outside their offices for an afternoon or two isn't enough to do that.

[–] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 22 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Funding FF? Maybe. Funding Mozilla? No way, not with my money.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] hraegsvelmir@ani.social 9 points 14 hours ago

Firefox is just the browser, Mozilla is the organization constantly wasting money on features Firefox's users are actively hostile to in a bid to tempt away people already using Chrome. Not the OP, but I'd be down to donate to Firefox's development directly, but I wouldn't want to make a donation to Mozilla hoping it would go toward Firefox, only to find out they took my money to build some new LLM integration that nobody asked for, only to sit unused for years before being quietly shuttered in favor of the new tech buzzword of the day.

[–] raldone01@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

Yeah I really hope there will be some way to tie donations directly to FF development.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 35 points 1 day ago

This is probably common knowledge to you and many others, but it bears repeating: You cannot donate to fund the development of Mozilla Firefox.

Google can, unfortunately.

[–] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 13 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

I recommend Waterfox

They have pledged to not fill their browser with AI slop features.

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 7 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

Last time I tried Waterfox some sites like Twitch that actively block usage on old browsers, refused to work because the latest Waterfox release was based on a Firefox like 20+ builds behind.

Firefox was on like version 142 and the latest Waterfox download was based on build 128.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 12 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Waterfox right now is built on ESR 148, which is on par with the latest Firefox release! ESR releases will lag several versions behind, but that's normal (even on Mozilla's side), and I'd be kind of shocked if it was such a big gap

Edit: there was a big gap. 128 to 140 was the right jump, but Waterfox non-betas took a little less than two months to implement the change after Mozilla released it.

[–] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I have used it for twitch for years without issue. I also have ublock origin with twitch adblock.

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

Well you clearly haven't used the standard available download (non-beta/nightly release) consistently through last year. Waterfox was using ESR 128 since October 2024, kept that base until finally upgrading to ESR 140 last August. So that's nearly a year of its base being out of date. So the user agent reported that number... sites really don't like that since they're looking at that for support.

https://www.waterfox.com/releases/6.5.0/ https://www.waterfox.com/releases/6.6.0/

Twitch only supports the last TWO versions of Firefox officially and will actively block logging in from older versions. So while you might be able to watch Twitch, if you aren't already logged in, you won't be able to login.

https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/supported-browsers?language=en_US

There are thousands of posts about it online for Waterfox other forks.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 1 points 4 hours ago

It was outdated, but only for a couple months. Firefox ESR is built to last about a year, and it was maintained with security patches up-to-date alongside Firefox Production versions 129, 130, 131, 132... all the way to 139. Only then did ESR 140 come out.

But if Twitch only supports the two most recent Firefox production versions, I guess ESR wouldn't cut it after FF 131 came out.

[–] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I have used the standard available download on multiple operating systems for years without issues with twitch.

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 2 points 13 hours ago

Quintessential "works for me" response. Must be a software developer.

[–] pipe01@programming.dev 3 points 17 hours ago

If everyone switched from firefox to waterfox, Mozilla would kill firefox which would in turn will waterfox

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Yeah ofc they are chasing the buck.

It's either they find alternatives revenue streams or we no longer have Firefox as a viable alternative anymore.

Browsers development is crazy engineering heavy, and thus, expensive.

It's a shitty situation all around.

[–] ElectricAirship@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Ladybird browser looks promising!

[–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 15 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The ladybird devs are currently in the process of switching language again from Swift to Rust, using LLMs.

[–] t3rminus@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Yup. Don’t use or support Ladybird, especially since it’s made by anti-inclusivity “keep your ‘political’ gender-neutral pronouns out of our READMEs” nerdbros.

On the other hand, Servo is coming along nicely.

[–] meadowduck@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md

Use gender-neutral pronouns, except when referring to a specific person.

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