Who cares? Bethesda is long past the point of developing a good game.
They could take all the time in the world and it would still be shit because their formula for game development is pathetic.
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I haven't tried Starfield because it's still getting patched, but Bethesda games are some of my favorites. Yes they're janky and everything but I love exploring and looting and they really nail that.
There are some films I enjoy which are objectively bad, and that's okay.
If people want to enjoy Bethesda games, it's fine, each to their own.
However, if you want to talk about game design, there is a lot of evidence which supports the claim that Bethesda don't know what makes a (objectively) good game anymore.
Unfortunately, Bethesda are the only ones in town who are capitalising on "Bethesda style games". (With the exception of a few, like The Outer Worlds, and Cyberpunk 2077).
Bethesda's strong suit is their physical world building - but everything else has been getting worse.
The running joke is that the players mod the game to fix after launch. Except it's not a joke, and it's really not funny when the devs actually expect the community to fix their game. They could simply pay someone to implement every single fix from the UFO4P and UESSP, but choose not to. They do not care about quality.
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Never play Starfield; it'll make you hate Bethesda, especially Emil Pagliarulo (the lead designer and writer of the story).
I used to feel the same way as you, until I played it. Now I have zero interest in anything Bethesda has coming out in the future. They've proven to me that they're incapable of making a modern game with a good story. Only thing that would convince me to play another title of theirs is if they finally ditch Gamebryo and never let Emil in the writer's room ever again, two things that'll never happen.
Pretty similar for me. I've been a fan of Bethesda since morrowwind but starfield was the last straw. It's a a slap in the face to fans
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I won't discount them unless an Elder Scrolls or Fallout game drops and is garbage. 76 has turned around into an actually enjoyable experience, for instance. At the same time I don't particularly care if a studio pumps out good or bad as there will still be idiots preordering and buying day 1. I am more than happy to wait for the reviews. A good game is a good game, and a bad one, bad. Who develops it makes no real difference apart from an expectation.
Thaaaat saaaid: Todd, my dude, you do actually need to hurry up. A great entry into the Fallout universe would restore some of the old faith you have caused to fall away.
won't discount them unless an Elder Scrolls or Fallout game drops and is garbage
It was called Starfield and it dropped last September
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This is one point I contend with: Fallout 76 didn't become good with patches. I'm not unconvinced that there's a conspiracy for Bethesda to create the impression online that the game became good with updates.
That's just me though.
I tried it after repeatedly reading it was good now. The main change is the servers work. If you disliked the structure or content it’s just more of the same. A few boring npcs were added I guess.
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I was going to say Fallout 4 was the stinker and the only reason it gets as high of praise as it does is just how bad Fallout 76 was and after a lot of patches still is.
Come on now, let's be honest : as long as the community keep doing the work for them, their games will be popular. All they gotta do is make it easy to make mods and the jankiness and stupid decisions can be patched over and made into something great that actually pleases everybody, because everybody can decide to fix what they want.
The problem is their delusion that people love their games as they are.
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Well, you certainly haven’t been rushing it so far, considering Fallout 4 released back in 2015…
Okay. Can you license it to someone else?
Like, you've got an engine, which you paid a bunch of money to develop. But you're only making one game at a time in it, which limits the return. If another carefully-selected studio were willing to use the engine and had Fallout rights, they could put out a game. You did that with Obsidian and Fallout: New Vegas was an enormous success.
They dont even need to use the engine, chuck the IP at Inexile and let them make a new Isometric Fallout game again.
Or Larian
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The engine is antiquated.
The Starfield one is fine in my book.
They do need to refactor their cell framework to support real-time streaming for interiors or cut down the load times to near instantaneous because modern titles do not need to have such long loading times apart from the initial load when the game boots
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Just like they didn't rush Starfield? Well, Microsoft told them to spend another year on it. I can't imagine what that version looked like.
It looked worse than Redfall when that game was released. There was a leaker at that time that said Starfield was absolutely no where close to a game and they hadn't even figured out how to make it fun at all when Redfall went out.
Wow. Todd must have an amazing contract. Has Bethesda released an actual finished game since...what? Oblivion?
Howard has been a gold mine for Bethesda. Him, Pete Hines (the PR guy), and Emil (the only writer they employ) are the three amigos. Their games are cheap, modders will fix everything for them, and they've held strong to their money at any cost don't call it mtx ideals that rake in the loot.
Notice how they only have two IPs. Elder Scrolls and Fallout. They've been coasting on lore that was created before Oblivion and Fallout 3 for decades. That's why Starfield fails so hard, they had to actually come up with new ideas for once.
Plus they also know how to throw banging release parties complete with private concerts. You didn't get rid of that guy.
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True, but you do need a new goddamn game engine.
I really wish we could go back to smaller scale rpgs that came out more frequently. Tighter, trimmer play areas with efficient stories. They don't need to have tons of side quests with mediocre at best writing. Just pare it down for shit's sake
Yeah it's too late to rush it, everyone has watched the TV show and is now interested in something else.
The longer Bethesda doesn't touch Fallout the better, as I see it.
I want Obsidian to get another stab. I could see them pulling off something great with an improved engine and no sabotage like they got when they developed New Vegas.
As if they'd let that happen.
The last time they let another studio develop something, it blew expectations out of the water and as a result made their game built on their home engine look like hot dog water.
New vegas is by far the beat fallout game, if for no other reason, it's an actual role playing game, and not an action adventure game.
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Todd last month. Todd Howard says Bethesda's trying to 'increase our output' with Elder Scrolls and Fallout 'because we don't want to wait that long either'. Make up your mind, Howard.
Based on 76, Starfield, and the Fallout TV show. The next Fallout and Elder Scrolls games is going to be a shit show.
Of course not they make enough offa Skyrim
16x the wait
That’s true and I agree to an extent.. they really need to build a new engine for whatever release is next, starfield proved that the current one won’t cut it. People are tired of these tiny cities and copy/paste dungeons everywhere.
The next big Bethesda title should coincide with the new engine launch if Todd has his witts still. It also shouldn’t be 2030 before we see that new engine..
They just spent five years upgrading their engine. They're not going to use anything else for ES6
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They might need to rush it but I feel like they gonna do that anyway
I hope they'll take their time to make a great game, the best thing that could happen is that they take example on interplay's fallout. Thoses vibes should do a comeback in the franchise.
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