So what exactly is open about their ai
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It’s called OpenAI because they are open to stealing content to train their AI
Can't argue with objective truth
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Open(your fucking wallet)AI
It's criminal they're keeping the name OpenAI
They put open in their name to get good talent, investments and so people would have a soft spot for them when they collect tons of data to build their product.
Their internal chats that were released in musk lawsuit reveals they knew they were gonna switch to for profit model (they here means the top brass). But they still lied to everybody about their intentions.
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reminder, there are localy ran LLMs. Right now is a vital time for open source to fight against closed source in the AI arms race.
Another good resource to help people find models https://llm.extractum.io
Or just straight up install https://ollama.com
I like Ollama, and recommend it to tinker, but I admit this "LLM Explorer" is quite neat thanks to sections like "LLMs Fit 16GB VRAM"
Ollama just works but it doesn't help to pick which model best fits your needs.
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Almost like Sam Altman is just another run of the mill tech bro scam guy.
I don't think he is a "tech bro scam guy", i think he is worse like he is smart and has a documented track record of lying. Unlike other tech bros, he actually knows the capability /limits of his products and he still lies and makes it out to be something it's not.
I hope OpenAI is going to serve as a radicalizing example to all the engineers, who fell for the "ethical guy/company" rhetoric, that the minority-controlled corporate structures they're used to cannot withstand the push for profit. I hope this will make more of them choose majority-controlled structures for their startups and demand unions in existing corpos.
I mean, I was already radicalized in that respect, but it’s definitely reaffirming that radicalization.
But also: I fuckin told you so. This progression was so blindingly obvious from the get-go.
OpenAI on that enshittification speedrun any% no-glitch!
Honestly though, they're skipping right past the "be good to users to get them to lock in" step. They can't even use the platform capitalism playbook because it costs too much to run AI platforms. Shit is egregiously expensive and doesn't deliver sufficient return to justify the cost. At this point I'm ~80% certain that AI is going to be a dead tech fad by the end of this decade because the economics just don't work now that the free money era has ended.
It will fall through much faster than that. I'm thinking two years, tops.
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The fact that Silicon Valley interests effortlessly shrugged off the non-profit board's attempt to hit the kill switch last year, and now are preparing to take the company commercial despite the deliberate design otherwise, becomes much more interesting when you consider the theory that corporations are a form of artificial superintelligence.
If the AI idealists can't stand up to basic forces of capitalism, how do they expect to control an actually dangerous AGI?
You give them far too much credit to assume this specific company will ever achieve anything even close to AGI.
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If the AI idealists can't stand up to basic forces of capitalism, how do they expect to control an actually dangerous AGI?
My guess is they don't expect to. I guess that that is one of the reasons they seem to not care about out of control climate change; burn it all down before it all literally burns down.
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Hey, remember when you guys lined up to suck his dick when the board tried to keep OpenAI working for the good of humanity instead of the oligarchy?
I hate being right
Why do people keep being fooled by rich assholes
People have grown up reading comic books and watching movies about generous billionaire superhero saviors. They want to believe that exists because it's what they've been taught justice looks like.
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Yeah, that was a strange moment. Those in the company being for Altman, I can understand. They expected big returns of investment from keeping him around. But the outsiders on the internet cheering him on? Felt like Elon Musk in the beginning again. And yes I also fell for his engineer persona in the beginning. But I learned from that.
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Probably has to be renamed to "ClosedAI" then.
... To the surprise of absolutely nobody
Actually I have a question and I admit knowing nothing of the legal framework here but...
Isn't it absolutely ridiculous that a not-for-profit entity can exists solely for the purpose of developing a closed-source piece of software, demand to train it for free off copyrighted material, just to switch to a for-profit entity??
Sound 100% like tax avoidance. Like me registering a charity so I can throw a mega concert/party privately, secure preferencial treatment on supplies, get discounts on artists or even free performance and then switch to for profit as I start selling tickets
Originally all their work was supposed to be published and shared with the world, hence the "open" in OpenAI. However somewhere along the way they made a for-profit break off of the original company and started pulling everything in that direction.
Step 1. Make an AI that hoovers up content.
Step 2. When owners of content complain about privacy violations and copyright infringement, allay their fears. This AI is for the Good of Humanity.
Step 3. ???
Step 4. Profit.
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"ClosedAI"
OpenAI: It's not fair to charge us to use copywriten works.
Also OpenAI: Also you have to pay us for using them.
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How exactly does one “outgrow” “AGI for the benefit of all humanity?
OpenAI Charter https://openai.com/charter
Our primary fiduciary duty is to humanity. We anticipate needing to marshal substantial resources to fulfill our mission, but will always diligently act to minimize conflicts of interest among our employees and stakeholders that could compromise broad benefit.
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As Ed said, Sam Altman has been a plague.
Just want to point out that it absolutely is possible to train an AI that will keep track of its sources for inspiration and can attribute those when it makes a response.
Meaning creators could be compensated for their parts of AI generated stuff, if anyone wanted to.
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Surely they will be sued into oblivion if they tried right? Them being non profit was the main pillar holding up their defense for scraping the web into datasets.
How is this going to work while OpenAI currently burns through an absolute ocean of cash to keep improving its services? Alongside this, a good software engineer or applied scientist can make close to $1m a year. While I do think professionals should earn what their value is to an employer, OpenAI still loses a ton of money.
As someone that works in AI, I think most of us know it's full of people trying to make a quick buck while investors will stupidly throw money at it. OpenAI is ultimately the figurehead of this market though, because at least the big companies can prop their AI offerings with the money they make from shopping, cloud, ads, etc. The second OpenAI looks weak and needs money, the vultures will slice off a piece and we'll see the AI market reduce to a wimper - just enough for tech to focus on the next grift.
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........ They weren't before?
Yeah, they weren't as synergized. Now they're coordinating with key stakeholders to maximize the efficiency of their aggressive roadmap. Or something, I kinda suck at business jargon.
This is what Ilya saw...
Much open, very organic, very demure, so mindful.
As long as the shareholders are happy.
Them investors got to get paid!
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