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Denuvo respond to their rep for tanking games - "I'm a gamer myself, and therefore I know what I'm talking about" (www.rockpapershotgun.com)
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[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 211 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

The cracks, they don't remove our protection. The cracks still have all our code in and all our code is executed. There is even more code on top of the cracked code - that is executing on top of our code, and causing even more stuff to be executed. So there is technically no way that the cracked version is faster than the uncracked version. That's simply a technical fact.

Going by that logic, there's simply no way that Denuvo does not hinder performance.

[–] rdri@lemmy.world 109 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

That's also a lie. There is no way it would be impossible to remove the protection code (or parts of it) or make it not execute. That alone makes him a clown.

[–] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 54 points 4 weeks ago

Not to mention that some of the cracks are incredibly lightweight in the first place so even disabling a small amount of their code would improve things. Removing the encryption mechanisms alone works wonders.

[–] Hazzard@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Sounds like a CEO who doesn't have a damn clue how code works. His description sounds like he thinks every line of code takes the same amount of time to execute, as if x = 1; takes as long as calling an encryption/decryption function.

"Adding" code to bypass your encryption is obviously going to make things run way faster.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 126 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

I don't care what he says, I will never buy a game with Denuvo.

[–] DragonOracleIX@lemmy.ml 71 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Same for me. Denvo killed me enjoyment of monster hunter world. Locked me out of the game when I tried playing it after a long break from the game. Being told I have to wait 24 hours before attempting to play a game I paid for was a quick way to get me to not want to buy any denuvo game.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 20 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It's really a shame, because I was super excited for MH:Wilds, but the confirmation that it will include Denuvo killed my enthusiasm completely.

[–] DragonOracleIX@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

At least Capcom eventually removes denuvo from their games. I'll probably wait until that happens to play Wilds.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 3 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, and at that point I'll also just wait for a 50% off sale, whereas I would otherwise have been a day 1 purchase.

I feel like this happens a lot, honestly - there'll be a game I'm really excited for, and either it's got some shitty DRM, or it's a timed Epic exclusive, or whatever else, and then a few months later when I could be playing it, I've mentally moved on to other things and I end up just buying it much later on deep sale if at all.

There's a lot of games coming out all the time; if I get past that initial hype period around launch without buying a thing, it's 50% or more off, or I won't buy it at all.

[–] Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

Doing the same here for Dragon's Dogma 2.

[–] FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago

That is ridiculous. I love Monster Hunter, but if that happened to me I would instantly refund the game.

[–] Goun@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 weeks ago

That's ridiculous, I really hope developers avoid it as the plague more and more.

[–] NRay7882@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

If it were just bad PR, publishers wouldn't be removing it from their games left and right. It's a flawed security system.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

That's easy, I never buy games at launch or in the first few years after release!

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 101 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 15 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

There he is.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 4 points 3 weeks ago

Was looking for em

[–] Goun@lemmy.ml 92 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

God, hard to read more than half of it, this guy's a total idiot. He really thinks he sells a solution, fucking wake up off that dream. It was nice, you enjoyed it, now wake up, go do something else, or just take the money and retire, idk, idc.

Fuck DRM, what a shitty way of screwing up content.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 47 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

What makes you think he's an idiot as opposed to lying through his teeth?

- 'It's difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it'

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 71 points 4 weeks ago

RPS: The study you mention showed that having Denuvo software improves revenues at launch, but also showed that a certain point after release - I think it was around three months - it evens out. Do you think publishers should have a policy of eventually removing Denuvo and making that clear to players in their marketing?

Andreas Ullmann: That's the only point of the study where I'm not totally agreeing.

Well, who would have thunk!

[–] vzq@lemmy.world 48 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The only positive thing is that they are SUCH GREEDY FUCKS that companies often patch out the protection after release to stop paying them.

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

When enshitification hurta otiself in confusion lol, but I think it's a good thing, people who don't care buy the game at launch, and people that care buy the game 3 months later with better performance

[–] ihatetheworld@lemmy.ml 44 points 4 weeks ago

Denuvo profits off game developers fears of their game not being well received by gamers for reasons such as performance issues, bugs, or at its foundation is just a mediocre game.

I like to believe that the narrative that piracy hurt sales is only true for medicore/bad games because the average pirate is broke and they are not going to buy your game just because of denuvo and those who can afford to buy will choose not to after getting to try it.

On the other hand good games will always be commerical successful with or without denuvo.

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 40 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Personally, I'm okay with Denuvo and other similar DRM when it's used for the intended purpose - to prevent launch day hype piracy. The first few weeks/months are crucial for sales, and I can understand why developers do it.

But after that, especially after the game is cracked, remove the fucking DRM, it did what it could and is now useless, and only makes the experience of legitimate customers worse.

[–] OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world 36 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Only Denuvo has reported that it's better for sales, the rest of us don't have data on that and I'm not trusting the wolf with Hen House design

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Denuvo is an interesting one, as it's both very hated, but also rather effective - in the last four years, only around 25 Denuvo games out of a hundred have been cracked. So with that, pirates can't even rely on waiting as something you want to play might get cracked next week, or it might take years or simply never get cracked - poor Tourist Bus Simulator, nobody loves you.
So it turns in to a fairly simple math problem, though one with both variables being unknown (to me at least) - how many people who would buy the game don't because it has Denuvo, vs how many people that would pirate the game buy it instead when they can't.

The only people who surely benefit from this mess are let's players and streamers :P

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 39 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

As a gamer, I know that gamers don't actually know a fucking thing except how to play games.

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 37 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Is this a business entity wearing the skin of a human, or a clown wearing the skin of a business?

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

Surely the former because at least clowns try to be funny and entertaining.

[–] archonet@lemy.lol 29 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

Because as we all know, being a gamer means you can't also be a fucking moron.

... Wait.

One experience with other people on Xbox Live voice chat can disprove that.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 4 weeks ago

I bet he plays like it's Call Of Duty in multiplayer games which require team cooperation.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 4 weeks ago

"Denuvo manager also stated that he slept with all the moms of their product's detractors, and that they were 'ezee'"

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 27 points 4 weeks ago

Makes me want to buy Denuvo games even less, but I've already learned my lesson. Shutout to the only worthwhile Steam curator: https://store.steampowered.com/curator/26095454-Denuvo-Games/

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 26 points 4 weeks ago

Arrogant cunt. Fuck you and your shitty "product".

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 13 points 4 weeks ago

Grifter attempting to explain his existence...

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago

Just stoooooop FUCKING T A L K I N G

[–] weew@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago

Hello, fellow kids

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago

What a fuckin' crock.

[–] liquidparasyte@pawb.social 7 points 3 weeks ago

Unlikeable asshole entity tries even harder to get people to like them. Results are mixed