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As of revision version #85, OpenStreetMap has the following tags for Golfo de México:

  • name:en Gulf of Mexico
  • official_name:en-US Gulf of America
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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 90 points 6 days ago (3 children)

As I explained to Google (from Dan McClellan) _references do not assert from fiat what things are called. A dictionary definition is not an official definition but what a word means or what a thing is called at the moment.

Most of the world calls it the Golfo de México or in English speaking regions, the Gulf of Mexico. Changing all the maps of the world won't change this.

Now granted, a state chooses what to call itself (such as the changing of The Ukraine to simply Ukraine but that is the incorporated entity that is the sovereign nation of Ukraine.

As the US does not have sovereign control of the Gulf of Mexico, it doesn't get to declare the name of a region of international waters.

This whole thing just makes the GOP, MAGA, the Trump administration and by proxy the people of the United States xenophobic and barbaric as hell. It's not a good look.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 50 points 6 days ago (3 children)

As an American, I will refuse to call it fuckass gulf of america.

[–] mr_jaaay@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

IDK, the fuckass kind of gives it a ring, you know? Maybe fuckass Gulf of Mexico?

[–] djehuti@programming.dev 7 points 6 days ago

I dunno. That could be kinda snappy on a map. "Ok, let's see, here we have the North Atlantic, the Sargasso Sea, and the Fuckass Gulf of America."

[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 10 points 6 days ago (4 children)
[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Coming from lemmynsfw I would have figured you might know? Let me know if you learn anything in your research

[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 6 days ago (4 children)

It's a Donnie Darko reference. I'm surprised anyone cares who comes from what instance.

[–] JonEFive@midwest.social 6 points 6 days ago

I'm voting for Dukakis

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[–] figjam@midwest.social 4 points 6 days ago

I got your Donnie Darko reference.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Search for 'anal' in your Lemmy instance

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[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

it was never “the ukraine”, russia just called it that because the ukraine was a region to them… like the great plains is to america…

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[–] m33@theprancingpony.in 29 points 6 days ago

@zlatiah Best comment in this thread: " Can we retag Trump’s golf courses as Golf of Mexico? " 🤣

[–] Bojack411@lemmy.world 45 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Hey. Your all blinded by this nothing and elon is getting contracts of money he dismantled from government. Congrats americans. Hope another cou try can put us in our place.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 13 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Current U.S. leadership: Our billionaires are gonna be bigger than all the other billionaires in the world put together. (I honestly believe there's an insecurity motive there: if US billionaires don't amass significantly more wealth, they won't be competitive in the billionaire world against outside billionaires.)

U.S. Democracy: If one dollar = one vote, I guess we should save all that money we have been wasting on elections.

The real reason for the surge in prosperity of the middle and lower classes after WWII: decimation of the ultra-wealthy throughout the developed world. Remember: the post WWII US income tax on the wealthy was 91% - literal decimation, for those who paid.

https://www.wolterskluwer.com/en/expert-insights/whole-ball-of-tax-historical-income-tax-rates

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

(I honestly believe there's an insecurity motive there

Once you have more money than you could reasonably spend in a lifetime, it just becomes another penis measuring contest for insecure manchildren.

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[–] DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 15 points 6 days ago

It's possible to know about this while also knowing that extreme fuckery is occurring. But its not like your average Lemmy user can do anything to stop either.

[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 6 days ago

thank you, enlightened one… we are all forgetting every other crazy thing they’re doing and focusing exclusively on map apps….
we’re all so blind, thank you for helping us see!

[–] hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 days ago

What specifically do you think that OSM maintainers should be doing to stop this instead of maintaining OSM?

Also coup has a p.

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[–] lmuel@sopuli.xyz 30 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Why is this even being discussed?

Are they discussing renaming Taiwan to China as well?

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

One way a global index can respect local authority would be for the index to acknowledge that within that territory, there is an official name for things.

They can also be pragmatic and acknowledge a common local name, the global consensus name, etc.

In many ways, it's just a further fragmentation like language.

[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The name itself can't really change in OSM because it's based on what someone "on the ground" would see, i.e. street signs, etc.

Previous OSM naming conflicts have usually been areas of disputed land where some group de-facto controls the land/people and therefore the street signs, and therefore the OSM 'name' tag.

That's not going to work very well for a big region of mostly international waters between several countries.

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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 19 points 6 days ago (3 children)

It is the gulf of mexico. The whole thing is just president musk and vp trump power tripping. Also a distraction from other, much worse thjngs happening right now.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Personally I'd prefer it if they spent all four years renaming things to Mount Hitler or whatever instead of doing anything actual.

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[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That's what my dog does.

He tears into the couch in one side of the house to get you annoyed, then runs to eat cat litter, then runs upstairs to take the kid's toys.

Do enough chaos to get something and tire us out.

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[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Idk if this is true, but someone brought up it might be related to Biden putting in an order to not allow new drilling in the gulf of Mexico, so to get around it Trump and Co Just renamed it.

Again, no idea if this is true, haven't had a chance to look it up since I heard it an hour ago or so, but it sounds plausible lol

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yeah but couldn't he just resend the law. I can't see why renaming it would be required, also if that's true, what a stupid loophole.

[–] letsgo@lemm.ee 29 points 6 days ago (2 children)

For the next four years I also propose renaming en_us to an-us.

[–] RxBrad@infosec.pub 15 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Such a weird thing for everyone to fixate on and lose their shit. Let our dumbass en-US selves do whatever "official" dumbass thing we have to with the name.

Everyone else can leave it what it always was.

Next time there's a Democrat U.S. President, the "en-US" term will be changed back to Gulf of Mexico.

This is stupid.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 6 days ago

It's true and it's such a distraction. There is so much worse shit going on right now in the US government. I'm tired of not calling it a coup. It's a coup. They're trying to act like the judicial branch doesn't get to determine what is and isn't constitutional. So much shit.

As bad and as cringe as it is for the "Gulf of America" debacle to happen, it's just genuinely not worth the headspace right now.

You’re right. It’s part of a propaganda strategy to trick US media to “discuss” trivial things like this instead of focusing on the real harm the administration is doing.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 23 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Honestly, I think that we the people need to assert our own right to name things more often. I don't recall the latest name of the Brewers stadium in Milwaukee, for example. Whatever company that paid to have them put its name on the front didn't pay me. It's "the new County Stadium" as far as I'm concerned.

(I have no philosophical objection to the name, by the way. Reps of the new company can DM me, we can work out a deal.)

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

Ask any illinoisan what the tallest tower in Chicago is and you won't hear the name that's on the building. And good for them

[–] specialseaweed@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

An acquaintance helped close a deal for a stadium naming rights. It had been a multi year process, the negotiations were crazy, the company deliberated forever trying to decide if this was the best way to increase brand recognition and man that shits expensive.

So like a shit head that thinks he’s funny I started calling the stadium by its sponsor like 3 sponsors ago when I was around them. You could see the anxiety spike when I did it.

Your comment made me think of that. It’s hilarious. They would have had a fucking breakdown if they had heard someone say that out loud.

[–] zlatiah@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

Frankly I agree. From my personal experience, every single native Chicagoan has been calling that particular building "Sears Tower". Even though the name has been officially changed for more than 15 years by this point...

And I thin OSM actually handled this quite well! The original Sears Tower name is still available as an "alt_name" tag on OSM as well, I just double-checked and yep it's still searchable on the map

[–] DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

There's a county cricket ground near me that was named the Hampshire Rose Bowl when it was first opened 25 years ago. In that time it has been renamed a number of times in honour of a selection of insurance companies I'd never heard of before, but to pretty much everyone in the area it's the Rose Bowl.

So yeah.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I'm going to be looking for ways to make the name even more Mexican now. Maybe just perfect my Spanish at least for that one phrase. Gwalfo de Meh-hee-co

[–] CritFail@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Since Trump is slang for fart in UK, I propose it be re-renamed to Guff of America in his honour. I bet he wouldn't even notice.

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[–] Vinstaal0@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It’s calles the Gulf of Mexico, people should stop using different names in different languages and use the actual name.

Like The Netherlands is called The Netherlands and two of it’s provinces are called Holland

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[–] qaz@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

To reiterate, GNIS and GNS are only relevant to an appropriately qualified official_name tag, not a name tag, because of the on the ground rule. For this kind of feature, common sense would place a lot of weight on overall common usage, since sending someone to survey the facts “on the ground” would be… difficult.

Yeah that certainly seems difficult

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Golfo de México is just as annoying, well done.

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