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I still won’t support them because when I tried playing, I wanted to play Eldar and they made key units like the Fire Prisms so hard to buy I lost interest, they sue the shit out of parodies and fan made content they don’t like, and they suck at giving game devs creative freedom.
Like bruh, it’s not hard to solve your supply issues and it’s actually easier to not micromanage your ip.
That is nice and i dont even like wh40k
On the one hand, fuck GW, their plastic is too damn expensive for what it is.
On the other hand, respect for paying out profits to the employees. Mad respect, 100%. Wish more companies did that.
I'm not a 40k player but nowadays you can just 3d print all the models.
It's the painting and detailing that can be quite expensive and time consuming. You obviously don't have to paint your minis, but that's the entire point for a lot of people.
Trench crusade official units are 3d printed! You buy the files
The money will be paid on an equal basis to each member of staff.
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As a board gamer who generally shops at the same places as 40k players: this does not surprise me in the least. Those goddamn armies are pricey.
I don't think it has anything to do with their physical media, and everything to do with their successful video games sales over the past few years.
The first I came to even know about the game was checking out a brand new game store with a more D&D-centric name and them currently hosting a game night for 40k so there were like 5 big tables with these gnarly modeled maps with hills and buildings while people were rolling dice, then pulling out tape measures and moving their units.
Shit looked like Risk but cooler. Then I noticed how expensive it would be to play and just never got into it lol
It's definitely pricey, a couple of reasons:
I believe the kits are still entirely made in the UK rather than Asia like so many things.
The quality and designs are arguably the best in the world with techniques far more advanced than most rivals can compete with.
This doesn't mean they don't get greedy and stick on a huge profit, I believe they heavily rely on staff who love the hobby to run their stores too and pay very poorly.
It is like risk but cooler! And honestly you don’t need a 2k point meta army to start with. For the price of two or three $60 video games (guess I have to preface that now) you can have enough models for you and a friend to have an absolute blast.
There are cheaper miniature games out there. Gaslands is Mad Max/ Death Race inspired and you use standard toy cars to play. There's also Turnip28 that's pretty much post apocalyptic Napoleonic Wars. There are cheap Napoleon era miniatures people modify for it, but I've also seen some goofier builds, like using toys and actual vegetables. I will say I haven't really played either, but they are the two miniature games I often consider getting into.
While that's great, it also speaks volumes when taken in context with their customer-hostile business practices.
Is it customer hostile? I thought it was just licencing-hostile, fucking over others with their IPS left and right.
I don't know much about them.
They used to give out their IP to shitty mobile games for pennies. Then they went after actual creators who made something amazing and gated them behind a subscription service.
In the sense that you're going to overpay for editions and minis that they're constantly updating to squeeze more money out of you while having a genuinely good but expensive paint catalogue ruined by paint pots designed to waste paint, yes.
In the sense that it's pure entertainment and no one and nothing is making you buy them despite all that, no.
Now, if we want to talk about how they're essentially monetizing fascist rhetoric and the "satire" died decades ago that's a whole new ballgame.
I'd like to know more about that last point.
In 40k, everyone is fascist. The Imperium worships a corpse who is gonna wake up from life support and save humanity any day now guys. Their creed is "suffer not the xenos, mutant, nor heretic to live".
Their main enemies are Chaos: nightmare demons and cultists worshipping evil gods spawned from the Imperium's own fascism.
The biggest threats on the horizon are the Tyranids, a ravenous swarm of bugs who want to eat the galaxy, and Necrons, a feudal empire who sold their souls for immortality while destroying the galaxy.
There are also the Drukhari, murder rape pirates who had such a big cocaine orgy they tore a hole in the galaxy, and Orks, fungal football hooligans whose only purpose in life is to get into a good fight.
The only "good guys" are the Eldar of the Craftworlds, who are arrogant communists with a birth rate issue, and the Tau: a Marxist-Leninist Federation of Planets who are secretly all being mind controlled.
The setting is supposed to be a satire of fascist ideology, but at some point Games Workshop started believing the pro-Imperium propaganda they spend all day writing.
There's also the Votann now but they have the same problem the Eldar and Tau do, there aren't enough of them.
Some of that I already knew, but why do you say games workshop is believing their own propaganda? Aren't they just telling a story and creating a universe? What are they, the company, doing that is fascist?
That's a lot more effort to explain than I'm willing to do for a Lemmy post but basically they've not only confirmed the Big Magic Strong Man does at least try to work in humanity's favor and was right about most everything, but there's a lot of "the Imperium might be fucked but it's the only hope" going on in general.
All of the Imperium's propaganda is justified, all their little fascist warrior cults are all that stands between life and Chaos, the Inquisitor Puritans are right because the Radicals always go Chaos etc etc etc.
I thought some of that was them trying to wash away the original fascist roots of OG 40K. Haven’t they been trying to slowly retool and rebrand the imperium more as the “good guys” so they can sell more merch?
Original 40k was Rogue Trader, written largely by British anarchists, and the actual motivations of the Heresy Era figures like the Primarchs and Emperor were left vague, so you could figure out for yourself they were genocidal megalomaniacs.
Rebranding the outright fascists as the unironic good guys is exactly why it's now fascist propaganda.
They sell metric fucktons of $50+ boxes of $0.15 worth of plastic. And $20 bottles of paint. They should be able to throw their employees a generous bone.
I dunno if there is a subculture of printing the models at home. I would think resin printers would have more than enough resolution to make good miniatures. Is that frowned upon? There is no reason to buy overpriced licensed shit.
Can confirm, buddy with a resin printer is slowly hooking me up with an Adeptus Mechanicus army and he prints shit for his friends too. Recasts are likely in-between price-wise but pretty solid quality.
Oh there is absolutely a group that prints their own, and before that there were re-molds that were made based on the real ones.
From what I understand, (friends play) they aren't allowed in "official" sponsored matches, so if you really want to compete big you have to have real armies. But also they have printed one of those $800 models because most people don't have the cash to throw at stuff like that.
So I'm sure there are some diehard people that only think official models should be used but it doesn't seem common.
That’s a crazy good bonus. Most I ever received was 2 grand.
I did the math. If headcount didn't change in the last 12 months then the bonus each employee will receive will be ~$9152.54.
10k is just fine. 18k is better, but no one complains about 10k :)
For certain. I hope nobody thinks I'm dismissing this awesome move. I just wanted to know how much each individual got.
The article disagrees, but idk what staffing numbers are right
The stat I found was 2950 employees world wide as of June 2024.
It said in the article that it’s 18 grand American per employee I thought
I used the numbers from their financial disclosure. I have no idea where the article got its information.
I got my information from the article so who knows lol
If I were to play again, I'd find some drawn units, print them, laminate them, and stick them in the little circular stands with the slot. No way I'd spend that much money again, I barely broke even selling my old stuff.
Heretic!
I care not. Grovel before your Corpse God!
I don't play board games like warhammer but if I did I would happily pay the premium I see on those figurines if it means this happens.
