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What bothers me is that I'm getting all this "upgrade to windows 11" crap from other companies, like my antivirus. I get that eset reason to tell me about possible security risks to my computer, but I'd prefer if they give me options for addressing it that don't involve dealing with a new OS, especially the win 11 dumpster fire.

[–] unphazed@lemmy.world 16 points 5 hours ago

I got Windows 11 just because my work pc was Win 11. I learned where everything got moved. I use Bazzite Linux at home now. Loving it. Learned a lot and I'm still learning. Now I need to learn how to overwrite Windows 11 with an older version without fudging my GRUB (again, I really don't like having to fix that thing)

[–] DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 46 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

Looking at it from a perspective other than "Windows shit, use Linux", MS' biggest issue here is that the vast majority have no compelling reason to upgrade. Currently.

To the average punter, W11 offers nothing that W10 doesn't already have. There's no new technologies that they care about, no new tentpole software that they're dying to try. Nothing. It has copilot running rampant through it, but most people don't know what that is or don't give a shit.

Give Apple their due, when they announce an OS update, they focus hard on the ways it improves over the current offering. Ways it can interact with your other devices, for example. Or even just a whole new design.

But MS advertise nothing beyond "This is new, come get it!", then wonder why no one cares.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 27 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (4 children)

The biggest problem Microsoft has is that the biggest selling feature of Windows is its ability to be backwards compatible and run on older hardware. The fact that a good number of PCs that aren’t even 10 years old can’t even run it is the issue. Also, MacOS names for each update are unique and interesting. Windows 11 is a very uncreative name which has always been a problem with Microsoft; example: Xbox One…

[–] DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 hours ago

I genuinely couldn't tell you what the current gen Xbox is named, though to be fair I don't really pay that much attention these days.

But yeah, Windows can't really have much of a default theme update when there are a good four different window styles throughout the various settings panels.

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[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 22 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Great point. Their strategy at this point is holding a gun up to your hard drive and saying "upgrade now or your data gets it."

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 19 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I thought it was "we are upgrading now and your data gets it"

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 18 points 6 hours ago

We've moved all of your data into OneDrive for your convenience, however you have exceeded your free OneDrive storage limit, please submit a payment immediately or the data will be deleted

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

They want us to upgrade to 11 so they can do that when they release Windows 12.

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[–] ZiemekZ@lemmy.world 79 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

I'm upgrading to Debian 13 instead, since 13 is bigger number than 11 so obviously it's better

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 32 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

My first pc had windows 95 and it was indeed vastly better then todays corporate shite

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[–] dublet@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

This is why I upgraded my Windows 10 laptop to a Fedora 42 one. 42 is obviously the biggest. And thusly better than Debian.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 hours ago

Just wait until you learn about Windows 2000

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 12 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Way ahead of you on Mint 22 or something like that

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[–] Gamoc@lemmy.world 77 points 8 hours ago

They're not trying to get me to upgrade my OS, they're trying to get me to buy a whole new fucking system for no good reason. Every last one of them can die in a fire.

And that's before we consider that Windows 11 is actually a downgrade.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 11 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

For anyone that refuses to downgrade win10 to win11 and still wants to be secure running windows, 0Patch will cover your computer for 25eur/computer/year.

I've never used them, but a security researcher I follow regularly promoted them since they've been doing this for systems for a good while (I think win7 was the first one they did) and are able to apply their micropatches in memory.

Definitely worth a look if you don't want to upgrade to Linux while not downgrading to win11.

[–] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 hours ago

Or just get the IoT enterprise edition. Support for many more years straight from MS. Or better yet try Linux.

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[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 17 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

What?! Are they not emphasizing that the start menu has moved from the left of the screen to the middle of the screen? Really seems like that alone should hook people.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 17 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

They should advertise the new feature of not being able to put the task bar on any side of the screen you want! "We're improving your experience by making it worse!"

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago

And no Toolbars on the taskbar anymore.

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 20 points 7 hours ago

they did convince me to upgrade to linux mint 22 tho

[–] derry@midwest.social 7 points 5 hours ago

But they managed to convince people to switch to Linux

[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Microsoft's new OS has never been a concern of mine. I still have a windows XP, Vista, and windows 7 PC's. They all work fine but zero security updates of course. You don't need to upgrade your OS and most people will simply just keep windows 10 instead up buying a new computer.

I'm just going to setup dual boot with linux since i have some modding and custom software that only works on windows.

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 hours ago

I literally can't. And I'm not buying new hardware just to make the switch.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 19 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, because if I did then in another 5 years it would be the same thing with Windows 12. Then 13. And so on. So I'm ditching Microsoft entirely in October and moving onto Mint.

[–] slaughterhouse@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Why wait? 😁 I made the move in May, and it's been great!

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I don't doubt it, I'm just very stubborn and afraid of change

[–] fading_person@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Then maybe you will love debian. Imagine an OS that receives mostly security updates and changes very slowly, that looks the same after a decade.

There will be a drastic change in the beginning, when moving from windows, but after a while, you will see how stable things will get

[–] slaughterhouse@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 hours ago

Same, honestly. I'd been putting off the move for a while, but some friends gave me the kick in the pants I needed to finally do it. And even then, I spent a few days booting from a flash drive (to get used to it and figure it out, of course) before finally committing. I've only booted into Win10 once since then, and that was to troubleshoot something on my Linux boot lol

Instructions on that installation method are here, if you are interested 🙂

https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/burn.html

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[–] troed@fedia.io 117 points 10 hours ago (17 children)

My elderly parents got the "your computer cannot be upgraded" and my somewhat tech-litterate mom asked me to move them to Linux.

Microsoft should've realised at some point that the only thing most people need today is a computer that can run a web browser and connect to a printer.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 6 points 4 hours ago

My old printer got better support on linux than modern windows. HP has long since took the driver off their website.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 17 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I swear to Torvalds, if the amount of old ladies using Linux because their Fedi relatives installed it on their laptops is accurate we are in the middle of an major demographic crisis.

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[–] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 150 points 10 hours ago (26 children)

I sidestepped to Mint. Sorry, Microsoft, your shit’s untenable and disappointing.

[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 12 points 7 hours ago

I did the same and using Windows at work is slowly becoming unbearable.

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