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[–] Hupf@feddit.org 41 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is true, but everything is copied from everything else. Star Wars was written to the template of the Hero’s Story myth as outlined by Joseph Campbell, and the plot and several characters are taken from Kurosawa’s The Hidden Fortress. This is not conjecture, Lucas has openly said this.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Samurai movies and Spaghetti Westerners have been feeding on each other for decades. Star Wars was an apotheosis of sorts, marrying them both in a space opera.

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Thank goodness I have an opporunity to post this.

[–] spacemint_rhino@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Potter is more of a rip off of Lord of the Rings imo.

Orphan who has to stop a once defeated but now returning dark lord, via destroying object(s) that contain his soul, with the help of a wizard and companions, all while evading the evil followers of the dark lord. Receives powerful artefacts that help him (cloak of invisibility vs sting/mithril coat). Assisted by a father/teacher figure that at first appears to be evil but turns out to be a good and beloved friend (Aragorn/Sirius Black).

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Potter is more of a rip off of Lord of the Rings imo.

I've always had it pegged as a rip off of James and the Giant Peach, tbh. At the very least, there's a ton Rowling drew from Roald Dahl (including the raging bigotry).

I've also heard her accused of ripping off Earthsea.

Orphan who has to stop a once defeated but now returning dark lord, via destroying object(s) that contain his soul, with the help of a wizard and companions, all while evading the evil followers of the dark lord.

This is 90% of D&D games, though. Voldemort is a classic Lich with a twist. She could have written a first draft of this book in high school using the 2e TSR book.

It's so easy to claim she's plagiarized the material because the whole book is so comically generic.

And remember Troll 1 where a dorky, bespectacled, young boy, with messy brown hair, is thrown into a parallel world of magic, who happens to be named Harry Potter

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Everyone can relate to an underdog

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is Tom Cruise an underdog at this point?

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I was thinking more of the character not the actor

[–] eskimofry@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

problem is, you need the underdog to actually fail at least once

I'm the sequel, I don't think at any point he was the underdog.

Is he was a woman, people would say he was a mary sue

And then you need a montage

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I always thought ANH doesn't do the best job of conveying the passage of time so it seems like Luke just integrates with this rebel squadron randomly in like an hour.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

How long is it supposed to be?

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago

I think it depends on the old EU versus modern Disney but I think in the old EU he was there for like a week or two.

[–] MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wait, did tom cruise drop the bomb in the new movie? I thought he was just the teacher on the ground?

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nope he literally teaches the young pilots how to do the mission perfectly then at the end he goes “fuck it” I’ll do it myself and almost get myself killed for no reason.

[–] Mikrochip@feddit.org 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It was already cheesy at that point, but the part where they were down on the ground & just happened to stumble upon an F-14, took that into the air & used it to defeat much newer airframes really took me out of the immersion.

Honestly, if they'd found a ww1 byplane and the copilot had used a bucket to scoop air from the inside after they got hit or a paddle to make them fly faster, I wouldn't have found it much more cheesy.

[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I assume you meant "himself" but I am amused by the idea that Tom Cruise's character nearly kills a single member of the viewing audience, in real life, as part of the movie's climax for unexplained reasons.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think they just ended the quote too early while still relaying direct speech

[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ahhh; now that you point it out, I see it.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

tbh I like your take too ;-)

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Luke used to do some dangerous piloting in canyons, so he was already doing crazy piloting even though he wasn’t being shot at.

Also, TG:M is the ANH trench run. Not even trying to hide it.

[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 days ago

Sadly the movie only really communicates this with a line said almost in passing.

The original Rogue Squadron game has a mission where you fly the canyon path the way Luke did. Get gold on that and you'll get an idea of just how good of a pilot Luke already is before he ever touches an X-Wing. And on the topic of the X-Wing, it is arguably the most advanced fighter ever made at that time, yet another untold portion of the movie that was intended to already be part of the lore lol.

Luke also used to shoot womprats while racing his T-16 around the canyons, and womprats are smaller than the Death Star's exhaust port. Combine all that with his latent force power and the trench run is actually not a far fetched feat for him at all.

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago

Yeah seriously this is kinda nonsense, it's more akin to a professional level stunt pilot who is independent. Scouted out and recruited to a company that does air shows.

He's already highly skilled, practiced and knowledgeable in the field. He at most just needs a few weeks to learn the routine of the new company and he's good to go.

Even ignoring the space magic. He was already one of the most skilled pilots because he's been flying for his entire life at extremely high levels.

[–] expr@programming.dev 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Also, you know, he's the son of the most powerful force wielder in the universe. Tends to help with piloting a bit.

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[–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

Spotted the vim user! (sed doesn't like missing slashes)

[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 53 points 2 days ago (6 children)

That's how I feel about Nobody, the action movie with Bob Odenkirk. A 59 year old beating up a bus of young punks, such a power fantasy, but it's just so hard to believe.

[–] Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So is pretty much every movie, mate. The point is to make it believable as you possibly can, without tipping over into farce. You can believe that an experienced fighter can beat an inexperienced one. Thats not an issue. The issue, for me anyway, usually comes when they take a hit. Thats usually when I start blowing big watery farts at the screen. See also small women beating up massive built dudes. Like The Woman King, seeing 50something Viola Davis taking haymakers from 25 year old heavy weight like they are nothing. Each punch enough to knock just about anyone on the planet out cold.

John Wick is another one. The gun play and stuff is fun, but as a tactical exercise, John Wick regularly gives up good cover for more sensational action shots that should have gotten him killed a million times over. The trick is making it fun. If you can do that, the audience forgives any bullshit. If you cant make it fun, the audience will nitpick it to fuck.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago

John Wick is always safe because offscreen enemies with guns have to run into frame and engage him at close range. It’s like videogames rules - like how the mobs form into concentric circles and attack you one at a time from the inner ring.

[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah I feel like movies in general wayyyyy downplay how bad taking a full force bare-knuckle punch right to the chin is. Irl you're very likely getting knocked out and also whoever threw the punch has a good chance of breaking their hand.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah but it's fun anyway, because Bob Odenkirk is awesome.

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[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 days ago

He also got his ass handed to him in that scene...

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I like the one in Secondhand Lions. Similar theme. Perhaps more believable.

[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ohh, young Haley Joel Osment and Robert Duvall. I don't know how I missed this movie! As in, I didn't see it when it came out. Might be worth a watch later today.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Boomers all think they're the main character

[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

It’s because they’ve been right about that their entire lives.

They’re called Boomers beause they’re the largest generation. Being the largest generation means that you’re the generation with the most purchasing power, the most cultural cache, and the most voting power. Corporations, the media, and political parties have spent the past 50-60 years making the Boomers the foundation of their strategy.

The whole of mainstream society has been telling the Boomers for their entire lives that they’re the most important people in society.nIt’s only now that they’re dying off in a significant way that this strategy is starting to fail.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Everybody thinks GenX are Boomers.

[–] camelbeard@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Everyone is falling for the "lets turn different age groups against each other instead of fixing actual problems" thing

[–] mika_mika@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

They fell for the ploy and entrenched us in the cycle before we had a chance to speak about it, and presently are obstructing the fixing of actual problems, problems that are a result of their negligence.

[–] AngryishHumanoid@lemmynsfw.com 64 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Example A is a chosen one story (magic powers make him "better"), example B is an experience+skill beats skill story, and from watching "fighter pilot reviews" of the movie that was one aspect they said rings true, someone who was a fighter pilot that long would have had so much more time to develop a high level of skill.

[–] Sir_Gkar@lemmy.world 59 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Luke is also a skilled pilot and an excellent shot. And the movie never establishes how experienced his squadmates are, nor can we just assume they are all highly trained since they are part of a cobbled together resistance and not a traditional military. And the only thing he does better than the others is hit the target. His survival wasn't because he was better, it was because he was the last one left to make the suicide run, and because he was rescued at the last minute.

Oh, and let's not forget that he never could have done it without the wise old mentor. You know, the guy from a previous generation that fought in a great war. The guy who passes on ancient wisdom and who is the only reason look was able to make the shot. Not exactly something that fits the "Our generation is the awesomest" picture the post is trying to paint.

Also, Star Wars came out in 1977, not 1970.

[–] nik9000@programming.dev 9 points 2 days ago

And without Han and Chewy. Who are pure skill.

And, retconned, without the Rogue One and Andor people. I love you that even star wars came around to a revolution needing help from all kinds.

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They were last generation to inherit wealth, so they are the target audience

[–] etherphon@midwest.social 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Lucas was 27 when he started writing Star Wars...

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