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[–] misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 hours ago

You have to make money to lose money.

[–] tonytins@pawb.social 24 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I thought for-profit companies were supposed to make a profit...

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 39 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Well actually there is a long and rich history of companies that are able to operate at a loss using funds appropriated from sale of shares to investors, and this process continues so long as new investors keep buying in such that anybody selling out is covered by the new funds until enough people try to sell out that the price starts to plunge, although the collapse can be delayed by the company strategically buying back and occasionally splitting or reorganizing, meaning everyone gets their money back unless they sell too late.

You know.

A fucking Ponze Scheme.

[–] reptar@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Well that's a damn good post Mr banjo

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 minutes ago

Ding ding na na na na na ding ding ding

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 16 points 5 hours ago

Oh honey, that hasn't been true since 2008.

The government will bail out companies that get too big to fail. So investors want to loan money to companies so that those companies become too big to fail, so that when those investors "collect on their debt with interest" the government pays them.

They funded Uber, which lost 33 billion dollars over the course of 7 years before ever turning a profit, but by driving taxi companies out of business and lobbying that public transit is unnecessary, they're an unmissable part of society, so investors will get their dues.

They funded Elon Musk, whose companies are the primary means of communication between politicians and the public, a replacing NASA as the US government's primary space launch provider for both civilian and military missions, and whose prestige got a bunch of governments to defund public transit to feed continued dependence on car companies. So investors will get their dues through military contracts and through being able to threaten politicians with a media blackout.

And so they fund AI, which they're trying to have replace so many essential functions that society can't run without it, and which muddies the waters of anonymous interaction to the point that people have no choice but to only rely on information that has been vetted by institutions - usually corporations like for-profit news.

The point of AI is not to make itself so desirable that people want to give AI companies money to have it in their life. The point of AI is to make people more dependent on AI and on other corporations that the AI company's owners own.

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

*bubble pop!

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 24 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 20 points 7 hours ago

Billions in investment. Trillions in speculation. All on something that makes less money than Genshin Impact.

Fun times.

[–] RustyOwl@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I bet this is amazing for tax write off. With their already ridiculous tax break, this should pair well with it.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

That's like saying you're glad you got paid less because that means you'll pay less taxes.

[–] RustyOwl@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I understand how dumb it sounds, but many companies benefit from losing money, but it doesn't mean they are broke.

No, OpenAI is sustained by investment money, not actual revenue from products.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 16 points 8 hours ago

Is that why MSFT dumped like 3.5% today?

[–] jlow@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 9 hours ago
[–] ReHomed@lemmy.cafe 46 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Good.

Fuck AI, send it directly to hell.

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 38 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

AI is here to stay. AI is also in an unsustainable bubble. Both things are true

[–] MrSmith@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

No I im the current "AI".

[–] melfie@lemy.lol 5 points 7 hours ago

It’s useful. It wastes a lot of my time with its stupid bullshit. Both are true. 😆

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago

Words do not compute. Issuing a $1T IPO to Sam Altman.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 hours ago
[–] Alpha71@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago
[–] x00z@lemmy.world 28 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The whole "AI" thing is one big grift.

[–] SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 13 points 10 hours ago

I agree, and essentially they used slightly reworked old neural network technologies, increasing their power with the help of data centers.

[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 33 points 13 hours ago

Wow. Glad they just converted to a for profit entity! Can’t wait for them to unleash all this success on to the the general financial market.

[–] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 61 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Maybe, just maybe, the bubble started bursting now.

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 33 points 13 hours ago (14 children)

I wish. Even knowing it's all a gigantic scam, they'll first protect themselves before letting it burst and screw everybody else. The rich get a buffer period.

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