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And that’s basically it!
thumbnail of The Brutalist (4 hrs long) okay perhaps not the best example
And not exactly 4 hours of easy watching.
It's not for the Marvel crowd but it's an amazing movie wIth world class cinematography and it sucks you in.
It didn't seem like 4 hours at all to me.
yeah i didn't regard it as a particular difficult film at all.
but people are different and at different levels. tons of people in this thread seem to flip out at the notion some films aren't for everyone. not everyone reads at the same grade level, but for some reason the idea of films being at different levels is very offensive to folks.
running a marathon is a lot harder than running a mile. and we have people who can't run a mile telling us marathons are stupid and shouldn't exist.
Thanks for explaining that different people like different movies. Truly groundbreaking stuff, right up there with the marathon metaphor.
I'm not a film student but I assume that long, comparatively difficult films by Tarkovsky, Ozu, etc are a lot of what the film students are watching and I would imagine that the professors are commentating on more recent developments
Tarkovsky films are incredible but are a "watch once in your lifetime" sort of deal.
I asked my grandmother if she had seen STALKER and she said yes, when it came out in theaters, like 40 years ago (in the USSR), and I asked if she was interested in re-watching it with her grandkids
She said: "No. It's a very difficult film. A very difficult film. You watch it only once because you don't get the same feeling a second time"
Love that people complain about the length of movies while simultaneously happily siting through eight, hour+ long episodes of Stranger Things over two evenings.
Especially when many hours could have easily been left on the cutting room floor of most streaming shows, but they need to streeetch the runtime so that the writers can meet their contractual, or whatever other internal requirements.
My favorite is when they they say something like "it starts getting good in season 3". Like I'm going to watch tens of hours of a show that kind of sucks just to see if it actually starts getting good or not?
Of course, the reality is that they aren't really watching the show like I would - as in, they aren't sitting down and giving it their undivided attention. The show is on, but they're also on their phones the entire time, or it's on in the background and they are doing something else, or whatever. Probably one of the reasons why the show feels like it's full of filler - they need to make sure that someone that's only sort of paying attention can still follow what's going on.
or they just have more patient and different standards than you do.
tons of shows are bad or awkward in their first season, and then go on to become blockbusters later on as the creative team finds its stride. that's just part of the process. Very few shows are banger from start to finish because of all the complexity involve in creating a show over multiple years.
Personally I really enjoy watching how a show changes over time as team members, cast members, etc come and go. Part of my enjoyment of a show is the process of the show changing, for better or worse. And it's interesting to compare seasons and episodes against each other as they vary in quality.
Love that people complain about the length of movies while simultaneously happily siting through eight, hour+ long episodes of Stranger Things over two evenings.
Because a movie is a constant continuation, where as each episode has a hard end and you can stop and decide if you want to continue or stop.
i mean some of the movies film professors pick, i had trouble sitting through, uh, 20-30 years ago (that is not an estimate i was one of those students) so is this on the professors? what are the films?
I've always considered myself a film buff but even i'm struggling to sit through most of the tripe that's coming out of hollywood these days. Arts films have always been a challenge but rewarding once their completed.
Oppenheimer was rough. The whole fuckin thing about whether he was a commie or not, or just how commie he was, is it commie to not want to drop the bomb, etc. Myopic, tedious. You could cut an hour out and it would be the same movie. They didn’t even get into the “Demon Core”.
I'm surprised that's what your experience of it was. To me it was about his hopeless (arguably naive) struggle to do what he thought was right and true in a time where both truth and morality were mostly becoming weaponized in service of alignments of power. He thought he could thread the needle only to time and time again have simply been used by others to further their own agendas, leaving hurt bystanders in his wake.
I somewhat agree that an hour could be cut out, though I don't exactly know which parts.
Admittedly this is a more accurate synopsis. It was very informative in terms of how/why those events took place, how the politics of the era were conducted, the connections to our current era, a lot of things that don’t often get discussed. It is probably a very “important” movie, unfortunately it’s not a very entertaining one. Compare it to “Cheney”, for example, which was moderately informative, but highly entertaining.
There’s a difference between a movie you want to go see in a theater and the film assigned as classwork by a professor.
Same as if you were told you had to read a book by an author you don’t care for in a writing style that doesn’t click with you snd maybe even from a different time with framing that doesn’t exist today.
It’s work.
Maybe desire to play with a phone and use social media might be an issue, but at least some of these same kids that have a hard time sitting through a film would have doodled, started falling asleep or just daydreamed instead.
That's like saying math students are having trouble sitting through a calculus class. All that means is the better, more deserving ones who put the work in will be successful. A tale as old as time.
Or it means that the education system is tailored for one specific learning style and that those with different styles or a neurodivergency are shit out of luck.
Or the more likely, it's a bunch of new students who've grown up watching everything in portrait mode and short bursts with Subway Runner or someone cutting soap for some reason on half the screen.
Not really.
I've seen similar complaints about reading assignments for college students as well. The stamina to focus on one piece of work for an extended period of time isn't there compared to a generation ago.
You might have had some students not be able to focus before. Now it is almost the entire class.
Hey chadGPT, summarize this Fellini for me.
Great question, let's dig into this! Federico Fellini's 8½ is a sequel to his previous hit film Se7en, and its protagonists are a group of eight friends. One of the friends becomes a father, and his baby counts as the "½" in the title. The group gets into various crazy adventures, such as being a failed film director, fantasising about hot women, having mommy issues, and hating religion. The overall message may be summarised as: friendship is magic.
Do you have any further questions on French New Wave films?
You want to re-calibrate from the constant barrage of content? Find a way to watch The Wrath of God its a good movie that opens with a series of 30 second set shots of water flowing. Its like anti-transformers level of stillness
Well they should fail then I guess.
are the movies shit? do you take into account that every movie stands on the shoulder of all the films before it and so rehashes the same shit usually the same way? can you appreciate that the good filmmakers raise the bar on what is acceptable and that a lot of the slop coming out can't pass it?
I've given up on giving a chance to substandard crap. oh it picks up in the 2nd halp or third season or whatever - get fucked. how can pluribus grab me in the first five minutes? how can hell or high water do the same?