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[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 points 47 minutes ago

Unviewable web page with paywall

I wouldn't mind some moderation, but for the love of god I hope countries won't block Steam over this. I have so many games there, and I can't remember the last time I bothered to read a review.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Part of the reason I don't play many multi-player games is the idiocy and racism

and we don’t try to moderate reviews based on accuracy

Than, it's not a review, it's a social media feed. Calling that a review would imply that it must have passed some check. If there is none, it's a post, on a social media. Even than they'd try to moderate that if they cared.

Removing reviews, the response claimed, could be seen as “censorship”.

Fact checkig and moderation isn't censorship, it's moderation.

Recourse for developers is limited. Some are looking into their own security, shoring up protections for developers on their team against being doxxed or hacked by trolls. Or, in the case of the developers of Caves of Qud, paying their own moderators to handle forums and the hate that spills out of Steam

Which is guess for small teams or single devs is less feasable the less resources they have. That is to say, you're alone out there.

[–] Ryoae@piefed.social 2 points 3 hours ago

Then uhhhh...ban the pieces of shit?

[–] radiouser@crazypeople.online 11 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I've tried contacting gaming press about this. I contacted Valve (several times) citing their own rules, screenshots of blatant transgressions and they repeatedly closed my ticket and ignored me. I avoid buying games directly from Steam now. If I can find the screenshots later I'll update my post.

Edit: So here is the ticket I opened (this was -months- after repeatedly reporting someone spamming the N-word in the Official Steam Deck group chat for weeks).

Valve customer support is the best, hurrr derrrr

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 38 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

It does get tiresome going to steam threads and seeing the same copy pasted "don't ruin the game with woke shit" post up voted to the top.

There's a pencil thin line between farming clown emoji and overt bigotry getting pumped to the top of the reviews section by bad faith actors.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

It does get tiresome going to steam threads and seeing the same copy pasted “don’t ruin the game with woke shit” post up voted to the top.

I don't think I've read a steam forum post in close to a decade, and even then it was a very niche thing I was looking for. I have long since stopped feeling any enjoyment or novelty in seeing completely random people's thoughts, since in the last few years particularly, people have no intention to communicate and broadly just want attention, which has become monetized so the problem is far worse than it used to be.

Seriously, at some point we're going to have to accept that the internet is dead or too close to death to be useful for interacting with other humans. I think we all need to stop communicating online on forums and discord and the like, it's all become weaponized and not enough people are left without agendas and campaigns they're trying to push. Let's go back to how we did it for thousands of years and just talk to each other and make real-world friends, leave the assholes and shills and sock-puppets to fight among themselves.

Imagine the power we will have if all the scum and assholes become the inferior population scared to actually do anything or go outside and we become owners of the day and become the ambulatory force towards goals and social progress.

[–] tb_@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago

They removed the clown reaction, as well as the ability to get points for receiving reactions.
If that ever was an excuse, it no longer is.

[–] missingno@fedia.io 73 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Steam has a serious problem with a lack of moderation, which has made it a very attractive platform for fascists. Gamergate never ended, and remember that began with Steve Bannon realizing he could exploit gamer outrage to push propaganda. They keep inventing new scandals to repeat their past success.

One of my favorite games had a very minor patch to revise some cringier elements from early in the game's lifespan. Years later, the forum is still unusuable because it's been colonized by right-wing weirdos with 0.3 hours on record who have dedicated their lives to crying about a game they never cared about pre-patch, because they saw it as an opportunity to push their propaganda.

[–] Zanshi@lemmy.world 17 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
[–] missingno@fedia.io 12 points 21 hours ago
[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago

While I do question a lot of the changes they made to Skullgirls 2nd Encore, there was one context where censoring panty shots was entirely understandable.

Filia was one of the characters censored. She's a sixteen year old schoolgirl, and while this may be a stretch, her name sounds like a reference to "paedophilia", which makes the fact that some of her animation frames and concept art were originally drawn upskirted with clearly exposed panties even more problematic.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 63 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Steam provides the forums; not mods. The developers are supposed to moderate their forums. The only forums I actually see moderated are the Steam specific ones (like the support board). Game specific ones are hit or miss. Most devs just seem to ignore that they even exist.

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 34 points 1 day ago (11 children)

For anybody saying "it's not a problem, just moderate it yourself", look at Relooted's steam forum. There are more than 700 threads there and most of them are really not kind. Tell me how you're going to moderate that.

Just put yourself in the shoes of game publishers or studios that make a game which goes against the grind and gets attacked like Relooted is being attacked. Would you want to employ somebody just to moderate the forums? Should the onus be on the forum owners or should it be on the forum providers (Valve)? Do you think this has no effect on the types of games being released?

I mean, look at this game Tyrone vs Cops 2. Is this OK? What do you think the forum discussions look like. Are they OK? If it's only devs that should moderate their forums, that means the KKK could make game about water lillies and then have their forums be the meeting ground for white power discussions. They won't be offended after-all. That's OK?

[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I clicked a random thread and it looks like a lot of posters don't even own the game. I've seen this a lot of times, people flaming and trolling on a game's forum don't even own the game. Thought the simplest fix would be to just not let them post and restrict game forums to those who bought it.

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 5 points 10 hours ago

A controversial game has controversial community? Shocked I must say

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 21 hours ago

For anyone else not familiar, here's the first line of Relooted's description:

Reclaim real African artifacts from Western museums in this Africanfuturist heist game.

The forum is full of exactly what you'd expect.

[–] missingno@fedia.io 11 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

The reason it got this bad was because they didn't nip it in the bud sooner. If they had been more proactive from the start, there wouldn't be 700+ threads.

At this point, just nuke them all and ban everyone who made a bigoted troll thread. It's gonna be a game of whack-a-mole for a little while, but once you start handing out bans, the trolling will start die down.

[–] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 6 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Compare this to fedi, shared block lists for admins helps a lot.

Should each game have to clean their forum individually?

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[–] grueling_spool@sh.itjust.works 10 points 21 hours ago

For anybody saying "it's not a problem, just moderate it yourself"

I'm of the opposite opinion. It's a much bigger problem than just Steam community moderation and it needs to be addressed more broadly. (Monkey's paw curls)

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[–] zecg@lemmy.world 102 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

bigoted reviews posted on games’ Steam pages, which can hugely affect sales for their developers; and Steam curators (self-appointed taste-makers on the platform) directing campaigns against games they perceive to lean left or pursue inclusion.

This fucking shit again. Reviews affect sales? Well, good. You don't get to carefully select a few most-read outlets who'll give you the thumb up. Also, chud curators are "directing" only those who follow them. This argument is about a failing industry that'd like to control what can be said about their products. Make no mistake, Steam's openness in this regard is, for me as a customer at least, added value.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 125 points 1 day ago (14 children)

To be perfectly honest, the odds of me buying a game are significantly higher if I see reviews about “toxic femininity” or “woke politics”

[–] Paradachshund@lemmy.today 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I agree with that, but negative reviews also affect the algorithm. If enough of those reviews drown out positive ones it will reduce the chance you see the game at all.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 2 points 3 hours ago

Not as much as you'd think. I get recommended games that are negative way to often. What matters most is people who play the same games you do playing it. People who play city builders will get recommended a new city builder even if its review is overwhelmingly negative.

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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago (8 children)

The main reason Valve doesn’t step in on these is they have a firm philosophy of giving the community the tools to form their own outcomes, rather than directing them in every issue. So they might be dissatisfied with people writing “Woke TRASH!” braindead reviews, but also not want to take action on them.

The least they’ve done is remove the clown award so people have less incentive to troll. But I’d also like them to implement community blocklists; If you nag a game for “Having/not having LGBT representation”, you go on a blocklist 90% of the community is using.

[–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 25 points 1 day ago

They also famously allow you to work on whatever you want, I doubt many Valve employees want to spend their days cleaning shit like that

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[–] purplerabbit@piefed.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Reminder that The Guardian is a dogshit paper that pretty much systematically misgender trans people and keeps tripling down on backing up TERFs. You don't get to talk shit about the bigots when you're among them.

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago

You don't get to talk shit about the bigots when you're among them.

I disagree, bad people can still make good arguments against different bad people. If the shit against bigots is valid, let it be talked.

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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 1 day ago (14 children)

for a more recent example, the negative reviews under Relooted are fucking sickening. one of the top ones is a joke making fun of George Floyd’s death.

what does steam do? nothing. valve is one of the most profitable companies per employee out there, and they have no pressure from investors to botch their work, they could absolutely moderate.

they actively choose not to, because despite what bootlickers on lemmy would have you believe, gabe newell is a libertarian dipshit who values "free speech" over the safety of marginalized people.

[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Fucking hell. You were not kidding. This was posted five days ago! The comments on that review are even more vile, to the point where I don't even think I can show them here.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

That review is no longer there, probably someone reported it. I think lots of these suffer from bystander effect, where people see it get indignant about being there but don't report them, so they stay there.

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (4 children)

There are guidelines on Steam that ban such content, and you can report people for violating them.

So no, Steam does not do "nothing" as you claim. A very basic Internet search can confirm that.

Even better, users can rate reviews as helpful or unhelpful. Which is great for a wider variety of reasons, but is also good for reviews that get into a grey area or use dog whistles to hide their true intentions.

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