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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 19 minutes ago

Hey, just tossing this out there, but rather than have you guys join America, can we join Canada? Just the nice folks, I promise, we don't want the MAGAs either.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 hour ago

Canadian or Provincial annexation is a terrible deal for 2 main reasons.

US debt, and power projection, is on a near term collapse trajectory. Insane healthcare, military spending levels for no social services is higher effective tax/oppression rate on people/small business. Changes in provincial (and/or federal) government structure would be extremely disruptive.

Territorial possession of the US is far more likely than statehood. Far less generous autonomy (Quebec especially) granted by Federal government, and autonomy eroded continuously like native treaties have been. Increased north/south trade seems nice, but "real states" will get federal manufacturing incentives, and possessions will be hollowed out to 3rd world level. Jones act regulations on sea shipping means high cost of living.

While tariffs decrease unity as they should, the whole "protect steel and auto workers for outrageously expensive cars in states that don't have those industries" is reason for highest GDP states to secede from genuinely corrupt political process, that propagandizes swing states on national socialist domination of uneconomic operations delivering no results for them, and shit product for the oppressed states.

[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

A bunch of YouTube channels that no one watches anyway. Nothing burger.

[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 hour ago

I wish that were true. My elderly father has this slop playing constantly. It's a struggle to have a conversation based in reality these days.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Who coordinates it? I mean, isn't this the political influencing the right wing fears so much?

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 1 points 55 minutes ago

But the Left doesn't want it to happen, so you can see how their hands are tied.

[–] NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 29 points 7 hours ago

And herein lies is the real reason AI is being so heavily funded.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 16 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Once again, Putin and his gnomes spreading discord, anything to break the West.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 13 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

you mean russian linked accounts, many propaganda videos are provided by troll farms themselves.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago

Russian, Indian, Egyptian...anywhere where there are poor people to exploit. Derek from Veritasium made a video studying and tracking troll farms years ago. A lot of those troll farms are from the usual suspected countries, where dire poverty push them to desperation, and are exploited by powers-that-be.

[–] michaelalf@lemmy.world 80 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

I rarely get ads, thanks to pihole. But whenever my server is down for maintenance etc. I get spammed with "Visit the USA!" and "America the Beautiful" ads. I live in Australia... Why the fuck would I want to visit that shithole country?

It seems like the US is drowning and is trying desperately to get more people in to replace the "illegals" they're deporting. Maybe I'm just their target audience (straight, white, male) ughh.... makes me feel gross.

[–] redsand@infosec.pub 4 points 1 hour ago

Just a different kind of gambling ad. Gamble your life for a discounted trip to Disney World. Will you make it big or get sent to El Salvador?

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 40 points 9 hours ago

Hi, American here. Please never come here. While YOU would be mostly safe, we are still a dumpster fire.

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

youtube accounts should be authenticated to a human being in an organisation and those details be public to save democracy

[–] PushButton@lemmy.world -2 points 7 hours ago

I am just curious, what is making you gross?

[–] Tim_Bisley@piefed.social 27 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

There has been a concerted effort to isolate Canada and the US from each other in recent years. Also within Canada itself the rise of US style individualism has been depressing to see. Its wild how much social media has been weaponized by most nation states to use against others.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

Do you want Cascadia?

Because this is how you get Cascadia.

Literally 0 chance that BC would join a MAGA controlled USA.

... Non-zero chance that it would join WA OR and CA, should an actual dual civil war kick off.

[–] trailee@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

California can’t survive intact without the Colorado river, so you need to convince at least NV, AZ, UT, and probably CO to come too. If California left but Nevada was still part of Trumplandia one of the first things they would do is shut off all outflow from the Hoover Dam.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Yeah, thats a great example of where you run into the differences between 'Cascadia' as a bioregion, defined primarily by watershed networks, snd 'Cascadia' as a maybe possible legal/political entity, based on current existing borders.

IIRC, the bioregion Cascadia basically only extends down to bits of Northern California... but the political reality doesn't match well with this at all.

Perhaps state delegates could all send couriers to Goodsprings for a conference, to hash out the details, lol.

Cascadia vs Greater California vs ... New Zion/Deseret?

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

Yeah, water distribution would be weaponized.

[–] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 13 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Non-zero? How about 100%? Every single person I've ever spoken with about this idea in my life has been on board. I bet 85-90% of the public would support it if the facts could be communicated to them without interference (so, never)

Cascadia would be insanely powerful and competitive on the world stage, probably a superpower.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

The immediate problem would be that Idaho, eastern OR and eastern WA are very very seriously trying to do the whole Greater Idaho thing, and are basically chalk full of armed white supremacist theocrat bigots.

So... yeah.

I guess the 'good' news is that western WA has JBLM and a lot of Navy bases, and maybe enough of them would align with Cascadia ... ?

The bad news is the Holy State of Greater Idaho would probably be able to dash and seize Hanford, and then be able to make dirty nuclear bombs.

But anyway...

Throw in Hawaii and then Cascadia and Japan and SK can form a trading bloc, and theoretically be able to back that up with maybe a little bit of the formerly US Navy?

Total spitballing here.

Alaska sure would be completely fucked.

Airline fuel is pretty expensive these days... for some reason... Didn't BC/Yukon already basically say 'fuck you' to US truckers going between Alaksa and the 48, or I am not remembering that right?

[–] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 hours ago

I think there was some kind of levy they had to pay, but definitely not a complete ban. I don't think it stuck.

[–] yottle@kopitalk.net 33 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

The Trump administration has also been holding meetings with the leaders behind the Alberta separatist movement ( source). At this point I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the US is performing a targeted destabilization campaign against Canada.

[–] mPony@lemmy.world 1 points 1 minute ago

They absolutely fucking are doing that. There may be other parties involved, take your pick. Everything surrounding this is basically a Brexit-style psyop.

Alberta has fossil fuels and minerals. America wants them. Simple as that.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

They're trying to do it all over the world. It's just easier to do next door bcz it's close by.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 38 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Trump and crew need a reason to stay in office after 2028... They believe being in a war allows that due to "war powers".

[–] PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world 24 points 13 hours ago

Well, it’s been working for his boss in Israel.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 9 hours ago

And also allows them to manipulate the stock market for personal gains. Just disgusting.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Since we’re in the cursed timeline, Trump will leave office in 2029 and be elected prime minister of Canada.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

It would be tit for tat for giving us Justin Bieber.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

He's your problem now! No takebacks!

[–] Auth@lemmy.world 14 points 13 hours ago

This is classic information warfare. Its been pretty well documented over the past 10 years. It feels like we all know it exists but still fall for it all the same.

[–] BigTuffAl@lemmy.zip 14 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Canada should absolutely annex and de-nazify the USA, I'm glad someone is pushing that agenda

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

American here! Yes please! Start with Cleveland! I live in Cleveland, and I live right on the lake. I'm like a jetski ride away from Canada! We're practically family!

Plus....and this is the important part.....GET ME OUT OF THIS HELLHOLE OF A COUNTRY!!!

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

I'm kinda surprised nobody has done the opposite of what's on the OP.

I figure there would be quite a few USAians who wouldn't mind to secede to Canada.

[–] user_name@lemmy.world 16 points 14 hours ago

I love how in only one of the thumbnails Alaska is part of the US.

[–] abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone 15 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

So you realise that if the US does go to war with Canada, that would mean that NATO would go to war with the United States, Which means that they'll probably lose all their bases in Europe.

[–] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 14 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

It's more likely mealy mouthed Europeans would declare the end of NATO, let Canada fend more or less for itself, and donate thoughts and prayers in abundance. Too bad Canada isn't part of the EU! With its defense article it will rise from B team to prime time.

Yes, the US would lose a lot if its bases in Europe, though probably (and sadly) not all. But this sort of obvious strategic rake to step on hasn't halted the epic blunder in Iran. Why should it stop stable genius here?

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Remember that Canada is a part of the Commonwealth of Nations

Don't know how much that would weigh, but still

[–] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 1 points 2 hours ago

Since the UK brexited out of the Union, this link may be more tenuous to the continent.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Nah, it's quite likely in the current climate that the EU would join in the defence of Canada.

If the USA actually starts an intra-NATO war and doesn't just talk nonsense, everyone in the EU knows we are next. So better do a nice clean proxy war on another continent than to let it spill over to the EU once Canada is down.

[–] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 3 points 7 hours ago

Let's hope we don't have to find out;)

[–] Brummbaer@pawb.social 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Have you seen Merz? Germany would instantly fall to the US side if that happens.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Merz is a moron, but if the other bigger states in the EU and the UK align, Merz will follow too.