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Are you guys trying to get religion banned?
It might help.
tl;dr:
Maus is a Unitarian Universalist, a pluralistic religion that's rooted in the inherent worth of every person. In April, she argued that AI didn't align with her religious beliefs, citing environmental and ethical concerns.
Just so you know which religion to convert to.
I mean, hypothetically couldn't you just pick any belief structure outside of the top ten and make shit up? I'm a card carrying member of The Satanic Temple (which also puts an emphasis on human worth and social conscience) and I feel like I could swing this.
Wow, you actually got your card?
They made no promises, but I sent my $20, never saw my card and that's fine.
I think you can literally purchase a membership card on their site if you want.
I'm sure.
The goat ate it
I've known some cool unitarians. The org can collect a lot of upper middle class white people, but it's also the first place I really learned about LGBT rights in the 90s (I'm getting old) and other social justice stuff.
On a tour of our state's gay friendly churches (a work project) I met a unitarian universalist minister who was openly atheist, his congregation had no problem with it. That was a very weird but cool convo.
This is something that The Satanic Temple needs to get on board with.
Now I'm imagining a split in the satanic church, that is an AI satanic church and a non-AI satanic church. AI Satan sounds pretty hellish if you ask me..
FWIW, The Satanic Temple is different from The Church of Satan and/or the Satanic Church. To start with, we don't believe in Satan.
AI Satan does sound horrendously hellish, though. "You're correct, and you are absolutely right to call me out on it! I can see now how submerging you in searing hot lye would be unpleasant, especially after you begged me to stop! Here, let me try again, this time paying extra attention to not submerging you in searing hot lye."
To start with, we don't believe in Satan.
Neither does the Church of Satan, to be fair.
I remember one is more of a political / atheist group and the other is more so what it says on the tin but I always mix them up. Thanks for the clarification. I'm sure that's a constant happening.
Oh goodness, what's that reference? Futurama?
Not quite. They're both Satanic churches. TST is more activist and fights for the rights of Satanists in court.
There's a good breakdown of the differences here.
There is already essentially an AI-Satan cult. They're called the Rationalists. Unlike your average Satanist, however, they are very irrational, nearly theistic, and exert a lot of control over Silicon Valley.
Thanks for the link, now this shit would make a good movie. I miss when SF was high on hippie vibes and psychedelics, not glue fumes and adderall.
I wouldn't consider death cults necessarily satanic although it depends on one's portrayal of Satan. I have more of a Zoroastrian or maybe David Icke space reptilian view of the Satan character aka the goal is to increase needless and avoidable suffering for all minds anywhere in existence as it's like a fuel source or food. Then in contrast God or goodness is all things which decrease needless and avoidable suffering and bring minds into states of wellbeing. I think the desire to just end everything like the antenatalists and other such death or doom cults is more Shiva like or maybe Surtr.
I do tend to fall back on basic Buddhist / Taoist philosophy though in that anything done in desire necessitates its opposite. Yin begets Yang type deal. Like the Shiva or Surtr type character wants to destroy but just ends up creating a new beginning, yin becomes yang.
This sounds like the plot of a Futurama episode.
"You can't just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel ANGRY!"
I want a Lucy Liu bot.
Maybe now I can get to know the real Lucy Liu
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
No I can't
why not?
Guys I think I just found religion.
I’m an atheist who joined a UU church (the religion being discussed in the article) this past January and I’ve loved it, I’m actually not at all surprised this sort of thing is coming out of UU
Join the Satanic Temple or some Humanist org or something. For some reason people lose their minds if your religion is just "none", but are at least more ok with it being something, even if the something had only one tenet and that was "none".
How about a mental health exemption? AI is shown to be hazardous to mental health.
I wonder if society will fracture into two groups, kinda like the Amish and the rest of us. There will now be people content with this level of technology and those who go on forward for better and worse. I can totally see it, entire towns where AI is banned.
I Imagine there will be yet another separation if there's a choice to upload your consciousness a bit like the show pantheon.
How about an atheist exemption?
You can be an atheist and a member of a universalist Unitarian church, I am exactly that
or just let people opt out entirely flat out?
That's it, I'm converting to Mechanicus. Abominable Intelligence is techno-heresy, Ave Omnissiah!
I'm somewhat of a transhumanist and even I think generative AI is an abomination. I want the real thing. Artificial sapient life.
we can barely get sapient life mastered.
Even in death, I serve the Omnissiah.
That's one way to make the Catholic church popular again.
I'm considering joining the catholic church specifically to make it easier to get an exemption !
So maybe if I dont want to use AI at work I can LARP that Using AI is sinful
I wonder, those objecting to AI, are they also objecting to using any web search or predictive text features? As I understand it, it's all just varying degrees of the same math.
edit: Ok, I think I see now that it may be more about what it does rather than what it is.
Predictive text won't write a book for you. Nobody has developed psychosis from using a search engine.
Your argument is reductive, like seeing somebody panicking because a hurricane is coming and responding with "What's the big deal? It's just a rainstorm!"
Once those who stole all human knowledge and art with 0 repercussions with the intent to sell it back to us either pay every human on earth 100,000 dollars or more, or relieve their ownership of the companies and all land and data centers that go with it, and also make it illegal to use for law enforcement or any surveillance, then it can be used for specific scenarios if needed.
Oh that won't happen ? Burn it down.
Surely my corporate overlords will respect me if I couch my objection in paleoconservative language.
Oh, what's that? I'm still being shoved into the trash compactor and squeezed for all my surplus labor value, even though I've dangled this nifty religious icon in their face? Oh well... I guess my office is just Woke.