The currently sold-in-stores orange juice tastes almost nothing like actual orange juice already.
this post was submitted on 02 Jun 2024
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You have been drinking orange juice, not orange juice. It's an easy mistake to make.
Orange flavored drink .
The best orange juice I tasted was in Rome at Dunkin Donuts, They squeeze the blood oranges right into a cup for you! 🤤. This was a long time ago.
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Right I have no idea how they make that stuff but I just always assumed it contains little actual orange.
There’s a dirty secret in your glass of orange juice. Even though it says “not from concentrate,” it probably sat in a large vat for up to year with all the oxygen removed from it. This allows it to be preserved and dispensed all year-round. Taking out all the O2 also gets rid of all the flavor. So the juice makers have to add the flavors back in using preformulated recipes full of chemicals called “flavor packs.” Mmm, delicious, fresh-squeezed ethyl-butyrate!
Ecogreenaturalganic 100% GMO-free.
The brand "simply" tastes like fresh squeezed (it also is the proper color and not that Nickelodeon neon orange), but most other brands taste more like Sunny Delight than actual orange juice.
Simply is hella expensive tho.
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Generic orange juice is a commodified product (ie, you can order a standard 1 tonne of frozen orange juice whenever).
The freezing process destroys a lot of the flavour, so some rind extract is included to bulk up the taste.
Freshly squeezed still has the original flavour, and not the added rind flavour.
(I didn't look this up, mind, it's possibly I've just repeated an old wives tale!)
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If my grade school art teacher was correct, they could take some red cranberry juice and add some yellow lemon juice to get the same result.
Ngl, that actually sounds pretty good
It's not that far off of a cosmopolitan cocktail in concept
Just needs vodka
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let me guess, climate change?
And capitalistic mass production with no respect for natural resources, aka intensive farming. Plants are grown in huge monocultures with little to no genetic diversity thus making them prone to what would naturally be limited issues like unfavourable weather or diseases
Can't say that in Florida, so it must be something else
Here in Florida there is a disease called citrus greening. The fruit grows small and falls off before it's ripe. It's basically destroyed the citrus industry. It's spread by flying insects so impossible to control and there is no cure.
So climate change doesn't help but that's not the main culprit.
Flying insects are not necessarily impossible to control. You can promote the populations of their predators.
The problem is, that usually requires promoting a mixture of amphibians, birds, reptiles, small mammals, and other insects. To do that, you need a habitat full of various plants, trees, and terrains, but vast swathes of land have been turned into dead monoculture, so the predators die out.
Predators? That sounds expensive, complicated, and could negatively affect profits.
Can't we just spray the trees with massive quantities of something cheap and effective like DDT?
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That works to mitigate flying insects but you are always going to have some. With citrus greening all you need is one to go from infected tree to uninfected tree and the tree is now fatally infected.
Worse the tree will live for years and the insects spread the bacteria for miles from one infected tree. Florida has spent almost two decades fighting the disease. And lost badly.
Hell even is we had done ruthless culling of any citrus within a large range of and infected tree like we did with citrus canker in the 90s it probably wouldn't have worked.
We failed to stop canker from spreading and canker only hurt production and made the fruit ugly and suitable only for juice. It was also much easier to manage as it was spread by leaf to leaf contact and via things like stepping on the leaves in one grove and not cleaning your boots before entering another grove.
In 2004 Florida produced 240 million boxes of citrus. Greening was discovered in Miami in 2005. In 2023 Florida produced 16 million boxes.
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Best thing about the color and fruit having the same name is as long as the juice color is the same it will always be Orange Juice.
Warning: this is orange juice, not orange juice
The color is named after the fruit
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They didn’t give a reason for declining output in Florida. I assume global warming related, but I wonder if there’s another reason
They didn’t give a reason for declining output in Florida.
It does say:
On top of that, Florida has been hit by a series of hurricanes as well as the greening disease, which is spread by a tiny insect called the Asian citrus psyllid.
There's also the fact that Florida just chased away all the migrant workers and undocumented workers. Bit of a labor shortage down there at the moment.
We did chase away a lot of the migrant workers and climate change is very real. However it's the citrus greening that is to blame. We don't even need the citrus pickers because there is nothing to pick.
Here is a picture of an orange on one of my trees. Itt should be much bigger starting to turn yellow and unblemished. It will get a little bigger stay green and then fall off.
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They pissed off migrant workers too, didn't they?
Chasing out all of the migrant labor with threats of legal action and/or violence.
They just didn't want to say that for some reason.
Wee bit of a labor shortage perhaps?
There is no labor shortage with current production efficiency. There is labor underpay.
Florida has been making it increasingly difficult and hazardous for undocumented immigrants to live and work in Florida. Hence labor shortage.
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Oh how the tables have turned...
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220627-how-orange-juice-took-over-the-breakfast-table
"The innovation [of concentrated juice] arrived as Florida growers were dealing with cyclical, massive overproduction. The promise of a new way to make juice that could be kept frozen, then reconstituted in people’s homes, prompted them into even more production, however. They ramped up tree planting in the 1940s. The oranges went to frozen concentrate and eventually, to chilled juice, an industry term for the refrigerated product. If juice could be kept in stasis, held in waiting for a consumer’s glass, then the only problem was ramping up demand as much as possible."
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"It had taken a few decades, but with the help of advertising and processing technology, the dumping ground for extra oranges was solidly ensconced as its own product, far outpacing oranges themselves in sales."
It isn't just ' freezing juice stock', really that hasn't been the way things have been done in a long time.
JuicePaks from givaudan have been normalized since maybe the '80's.
Consumers expect orange juice to taste like 'orange juice', year round, whether it was a good or bad year. There isn't anything intrinsically bad about that anymore than expecting bananas to taste like Cavendish.
The world is changing though, and tastes will have to adapt.
"Ain't no such thing as climate change!!!"
[Climate charge ends orange juice]
"Librulz want to CANCEL my orange juice!!!!"
"My God. The Dukes are going to corner the entire frozen orange juice market!"
I have mine falling on the floor because I can't eat/drink them all.
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