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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by Octopus1348@lemy.lol to c/memes@lemmy.ml
 

I moved from Lemmy.ml because I liked the name of Lemmy.world and it ran a newer Lemmy version which meant I could make communities. I moved from Lemmy.world because they defederated from piracy communities they didn't even host (but for some reason still kept the small piracy community they DID host) From thelemmy.club because I couldn't see the Hackintosh community from there (probably defederated) Now I spent some time looking on join-lemmy.org and checked out some instances and this (lemy.lol) instance seemed good, so I chose that.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 125 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

I'll say it again and again, decentralization needs to be something the end user doesn't notice, signing up to Lemmy should be like signing up to a centralized service with the servers running things being decentralized and the info redundant so servers can go down without having any effect on the service.

Let the admins decide if they don't want to host content from certain communities, let the users decide if they want to block communities and users.

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I don't think that'd work, with Lemmy being a federated model, not a fully decentralized one.

How do you handle the actual login? Does that mean every server has access to your password hash? Or do you overhaul the account system to use something like a private and public key, with the user needing to store and transfer the private key to every device they use?

And what happens if two people register with the same username on two instances that aren't federating? Do they somehow need to still communicate with all other instances in the network they operate in, to prevent that from happening? Because the alternative I see is the login being random in some way or tied to the instance, in which case you still lose the impression of a single service.

If I'm not mistaken, right now anybody could host a non-federating Lemmy instance, if they just wanted a small private community in this style. To my understanding, that's the idea behind federation, and a founding concept of Lemmy - it's not a giant service distributed across trusted servers, but a network of smaller communities that communicate with limited trust.

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[–] MashedTech@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

I subscribe to this view.

[–] camelbeard@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

After seeing this post, I needed to check what server am I on right now anyway, didn't even remember, so I guess that's a good thing.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You're still dependent on a single point of failure, what I'm talking about is doing like any other website but instead of using a provider like AWS, you've got a bunch of people all over the world providing storage space and bandwidth and all data is stored on three servers in different locations at all times so there's basically no reason for the website to ever crash.

If you were to access Lemmy from a web browser you would need to remember what server you're signed up to because that's the website you would need to go to, you wouldn't be going to "Lemmy.com" or whatever.

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[–] Sky_Lobster@lemmy.world 82 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Honest question... What's the difference? I just signed up with .world without really doing much looking around first...

[–] MentalEdge@lemmy.world 71 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Some instances are running on better servers than others, have staff that fix issues quicker and attend to updates sooner.

For example, .world is still on v18 while the rest of the threadiverse has mostly moved on to v19.

Some instances defederate certain other instances, so in some cases you might end up finding that a community you subbed to gets disappeared by the admins of your instance (lemmy.ml did this to ani.social a while back). Whether there are valid reasons goes case by case, sopuli.xyz for example blocks instances that are for porn, and I like it that way.

Though outward federation is a bit borked on there atm, so I'm using my alts...

But really, it doesn't matter that much. If the grass looks greener, you can hop over the fence and see for yourself, and then hop right back if it turns out it wasn't.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 17 points 11 months ago

While I'm not on world, I also hold off on upgrades. Lemmy is still Alpha, after all.

[–] Octopus1348@lemy.lol 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I only moved from World because I wanted a smaller instance (and maybe because of stability). And from thelemmy.club because it blocked the Hackintosh community. And from lemmy.ml, which was my first one I moved because I heard the alligations that the admin was pro-chinese government.

[–] GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

"Allegations". Nice.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Moderation and politics. Many in Lemmy don't like ML's stance on issues, including banning and moderating dissenting opinions. World won't defederate from Threads. Etc. Despite no major user difference, Lemmy is a much more "active" vs passive community in reinforcing their beliefs in what's right. It's why many migrated here to begin with.

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[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 51 points 11 months ago (7 children)

laughs in solarpunk

We are fucking tiny, and everyone as far as I know is federated with us because they can't be bothered. Our server is run well, though we do get a bit of unscheduled downtime (though the biggest one was due to a fucking hurricane)

[–] match@pawb.social 26 points 11 months ago

slrpnk.net 🤝 pawb.social

federated via apathy

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Everyone forgets about pawb.social too. Even furries seem to forget it exists lol.

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[–] Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 49 points 11 months ago (1 children)

i fucking love decentralized services

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 42 points 11 months ago (1 children)

.ml works great for me. What problems did you have with it?

[–] stevehobbes@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Mostly the people running and modding it are insane.

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Thank God I don't give a fuck about Lemmy dramas. If it works and I like the content, I'll stay.

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Oh you mean the communism?

I am communist

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[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

I had one of my posts on AskLemmy deleted for being "offensive". It was asking a silly question "Are Brits the Americans of Europe?". Some saw the lighthearted side. The professionally offended got it deleted.

Over-moderation will kill Lemmy instances. One of the reasons Reddit became as big as it did is due to very light-touch moderation verging on "absolute freedom of speech". It was refreshing and 'alternative' compared to the increasing sanitisation of the Internet.

Unfortunately Reddit-rotted Zoomers have jumped from the heavy-handed Reddit modding to Lemmy and will quickly fuck up any attempt to grow the platform. Because they don't remember/know how early Reddit worked.

They're trying to moderate Lemmy like it's a billion-user platform when it's a few hundred thousand.

[–] tyrefyre@sh.itjust.works 28 points 11 months ago

Ah yes it’s the next generations fault. What a unique take on the situation.

[–] Anon819450514@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago

Yup. The platform should feel alive.

I remember on Reddit when people were trying the limits and quirks of the algorithm, and you would wake up one day and your feed was filled with something totally unrelated. A few hours later and it went back to normal.

[–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Every platform should have some mechanism to remove troublesome moderators.

[–] The_Vampire@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The whole point of the Reddit-style was that subreddits could be controlled by moderators and prevented from slipping into the same old tired town square-esque mess that arrives with popularity. I guarantee a mechanism to remove moderators would result in niche communities that get a surge in popularity winding up with the original moderators ousted because all the newcomers don't understand the community.

If you don't like how a community is run, you can start your own for completely free. That's how this works, you shouldn't be able to commandeer a community from the people who started it. If there's a truly problematic moderator, the new community will grow quickly.

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[–] AteshgaRubyTeeth@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I’ve created my account at .world, anything I missed? Seems to work fine for me

[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (9 children)

They started defederating with piracy and trans instances and kept pushing a Discord server so I took off.

Oh and also Beehaw defederated with lemmy.world, and I wanted to see that content.

Second edit because I was reminded lemmy.world is still planning to federate with Threads, which I also wasn't okay with.

[–] AltheaHunter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 11 months ago (8 children)

What trans instances have they defederated?

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[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 30 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I understand the issue of “it’s a Fediverse only if the network is diversified.” And “it’s difficult for new users to understand.” But if we also go down the path of making the system like a standard centralized network we defeat the purpose of the Fediverse.

Our issue isn’t a “we need to copycat our predecessors” it’s a “we need to explain how we work in a simple enough way no one could possibly misunderstand.”

I’ve tried various methods of explaining it, and I think the issue is half bad explanations and half a lack of interest.

We need to also start pressing our strengths. The Fediverse, as it’s nature of an AGPLv3 project, is ad free. We also don’t have the weight of megacorps deciding what is allowed to be shared because of said ad revenue.

Avoid talking about the technology. Boast our numbers, we’re 2 million strong on Lemmy and 14 million Fediverse wide. Avoid confusion, offer help, and press our advantages.

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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Meh, just need to find an instance that seems friendly and stable enough then try to keep it afloat.

[–] Octopus1348@lemy.lol 11 points 11 months ago

I think I'll stay here if there are no problems. That's why I used the word "might"

[–] FIST_FILLET@lemmy.ml 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

what’s this supposed to mean? i’ve never had an issue with .ml

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

ML was the first instance, they created an account there first and jumped from instance to instance until they ended up where they are, leaving the original instance completely neglected. It's quite a literal interpretation of the meme format, which you don't often see.

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[–] ComradeR@lemmy.ml 21 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I'm still on lemmy.ml instance since my first day here! And this is the only account I have.

We don't know what is going to happen tomorrow... But, at least for awhile, I have no regrets at all!

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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago (4 children)
[–] spaphy@lemmy.ml 21 points 11 months ago

You seem like you enjoy having fun. I like that.

[–] Octopus1348@lemy.lol 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What the hell is happening

[–] bubbalu@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago
[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

Hexbear will always stay winning it's impossible for anyone to stop us bridget-pride-stay-mad

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[–] ZeroTHM@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

"If you don't like how we do it, go make your own" is the biggest cop out.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't get it ._. Why move?

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[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

(Cries in feddit.uk)

[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

What we really need is an app with an ordered account list that allows you to view all the content from those accounts and when responding/contributing uses that order and picks the top one that is able to.

[–] __lone_eagle___@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago

STOP IT... Get some Help

[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Lemmy.world has been very slow for me lately

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago (6 children)

lemm.ee is at the bottom of the ocean right now because of federation issues after upgrading to 0.19. I’m mostly shouting into a void. Can anyone see this comment? I know my comments in .world are not getting seen.

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[–] havid_dume@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

One of us. One of us.

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