This is awesome provided it's implemented in a secure manner. Android should have facilitated this a long time ago.
this post was submitted on 21 Nov 2024
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When I recently upgraded my phone I was surprised how little got brought over automatically and how hard it was to migrate configurations. If it actually copies over all my preferences from old phone to new phone, then great. If it's just logins then that's not really useful.
No thanks.
I would not be against all of this (being able to change device while keeping all app data, including logins would be pretty cool), if it wasn't could based on Google's servers. No thanks.
Yup. If that was the case, I would probably use stock Android instead of using GrapheneOS. But no, Google insists on getting its fingers everywhere, so I insist on some inconveniences to prevent that.
I would love the conveniences that stock Android offers, but I'm unwilling to accept the privacy compromises.
That's a good point actually.
If I could self-host a server that my devices were authenticated with and constantly backing up to (and geo-tracking), then that would be useful.
Currently I have syncthing and no authentication with anyone/thing else.
This is a major reason I root, so backup apps like NeoBackup actually work.
Then Syncthing keeps those backups in sync with a home machine.
Lose my phone? No big deal, setup Syncthing on new one, let files sync, launch Neo, restore.
Hopefully graphene will rip this shit out
It would be even cooler if they left it for users who want to self-host the BE for this.
They definitely will, since they don't even support any of Google's standard restore features by default.
They use Seedvault instead, which doesn't have the capability to restore app logins. I have a feeling Seedvault may end up adding that as a feature in the future, though.
You trust credencials to Google?
Yes, why wouldn't we?
Because you literally put all your eggs in one basket...
This may hurt some feelings, but I trust Google more than some FOSS password manager. Besides, I log into pretty much everything with my Google account anyway.
Okay, good for you. you're comfortable with it. I'm not. I don't trust any company to control my access to OTHER companies. That at it's face is a conflict of interest.
That's some real tinfoil hat stuff, to be honest. If Google did pull something like that, I could always just create an account the old fashioned way.
That’s some real tinfoil hat stuff
If you say so. I only work in IT and security.
If Google did pull something like that
You'd likely never know.
You don't need tinfoil to realize we live in a technology dystopia. All of our privacy and data is sold to the highest bidder. Even if it's illegal, as long as it turns a profit higher than any sanctions.
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This does not affect people without Google Play Services so why complain? We need fewer reasons for people to buy Apple products so that devs are more inclined to build good native Android apps.
This is why I see it as a mild positive for us. For normal users, it's another step away from privacy and security towards convenience that they will accept. Yes, some will see this on-by-default feature and think "no privacy is possible anymore" but that's best solved by GrapheneOS etc. becoming more visible.
Honestly, I don't have any issues with app selection on Android, my main issue is w/ app selection without Google Play Services running. I've moved to accessing most services (e.g. banking) on my phone's web browser, which works surprisingly well.
If you have a recent phone, websites and PWAs are about as fast as native apps. I'm using a 2014 flagship Sony Xperia Z that came out with Android 4.4 and can barely run Android 13 — it will overheat and sytem UI (thankfully not apps) will restart if rendering stuff for too long. (The difference is staggering: basic old apps like Phyphox and static websites run indefinitely. Modern apps or JS-enabled pages like Voyager or 480p30 video for 10 minutes. Post-modern bloated crap or 720p30 video, 4 minutes. Imgur, new Reddit and 1080p video turn the phone into a hand warmer immediately and the framerate goes from 15 to <1 in 10 seconds, followed by a slew of ANRs and the battery percentage going down every 20^th^ frame rendered. Should I have applied more heatsink compound after replacing the battery? Yes but I'd argue no app with a simple purpose and basic GUI should require 5 W to the CPU while running at half rate.)
A lot of pages aren't designed for PWAs or mobile use whatsoever. For example, my 401k provider actually hides the login form when viewing from a mobile browser, so I have to switch it to desktop mode to get into it. They have an app, and it probably works w/o Google Play Services (haven't tried, but there are no notifications), but the mobile app is pretty limited. Likewise for my HSA app, the website is more helpful than the mobile app is.
On my old phone, the web browser runs regular pages poorly, much less video, and it's not even that slow of a phone (Android 11, 8 cores, 4GB RAM). So I totally understand older phones having issues. My current phone is a Pixel 8, so it's plenty fast.
I'm okay, thanks.
Seed-vault backup but worse!
I trust Sundar the creep🤡