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EDIT: This happened back in 2025. Will leave as I’m sure I’m not the only one that didn’t know, but I saw it on hacker news and didn’t realize it was a year old. My bad.

In an odd approach to trying to improve customer tech support, HP allegedly implemented mandatory, 15-minute wait times for people calling the vendor for help with their computers and printers in certain geographies.

Callers from the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Ireland, and Italy were met with the forced holding periods, The Register reported on Thursday. The publication cited internal communications it saw from February 18 that reportedly said the wait times aimed to “influence customers to increase their adoption of digital self-solve, as a faster way to address their support question. This involves inserting a message of high call volumes, to expect a delay in connecting to an agent and offering digital self-solve solutions as an alternative.”

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[–] TunaLobster@lemmy.world 11 points 4 hours ago

Years ago I called them to get an RMA on a scanner that had a fingerprint on the INSIDE side of the glass. They wanted me to disassemble it and charge me $70 for the knowledge on how to do so. Fuck HP.

Their sales reps that hang out at Microcenter would actually not stop talking to me. I literally walked past them and wouldn't make eye contact. They followed me through the whole section. It wasn't until I approached an actual MC employee and said, "I will never buy an HP product. Can you help me?" The HP guy still followed us while I bought another printer! Fuck HP.

[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 5 hours ago

HP support sucks. They wanted me to buy a support package to get a link to a driver. Like, fuck off.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 hours ago

capitalism is never about the product

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 29 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

HP is one of those companies whose products you can easily avoid. I don't understand their dominance in the printer market, or why people continue to buy their products when many of them are objectively poor. I also don't recall a time when HP had a particularly strong reputation to begin with.

At this point, most competitors offer better alternatives than HP.

[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

There are better printers than HP, but they have a solid niche where they're the least expensive enterprise printers that aren't entirely garbage.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Least expensive until you have to buy ink or toner.

[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

No, their laptops were pretty good about 10-12 years ago. Mac guy, but Macs weren't great in the Intel era. I was advised to get an HP laptop. The one I was looking at was very highly rated. Can't remember the name. Bought one from Asus with better specs. I would have been fine with the HP.

We used to have Elite Desks at work and they are dogshit. I kinda want one though. 8th Gen i5 with 8GB RAM. I wanna toss the hard drive and put an SSD in it. Then put Steam OS on it. I bet it would be decent for 2000s PC gaming. Like up to Skyrim.

[–] oascany@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Current gen omnibooks are really good if you can ignore or cover the AI branding. They're also a really good value especially with how often they're on sale. Source: I bought one a year ago and it's been very good.

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 5 points 15 hours ago

It's a known brand, that's the reason why people choose it.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 18 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

It's like a CEO heard a joke or saw a comic where this happened and thought it was the best idea possible. "If we add in waiting time for no reason then some of the people will hang up and go away." It's the same logic as making anyone who wants to close an account (such as Netflix) jump through 3 people and a million hoops.

Seriously, I moved to a town where Comcast has no Internet service, I looked it up on their online service tool. They STILL ran me through retention even after they looked it up and confirmed it internally, and I had to go through 10 extra minutes of some lady reading from a script before they'd kill my account, and then had the gall to ask if I wanted to complete a customer service survey.

[–] spacesatan@leminal.space 9 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

I completely stonewalled the comcast retention stuff and I think I cut the entire call down to 5 minutes once I had someone on the line. I almost felt bad because she was clearly new and had a trainer with her. I just kept saying 'just cancel the service' every attempt to ask me something was met with 'have you cancelled the service yet'

Lady I have anxiety about phone calls, I am not happy I have to make one. If I have to play this conversation through in my head 100 times then we're following one of the scripts I have ready, not comcast's.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 1 points 11 hours ago

I'll remember that trick.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 8 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Tell Comcast youre going to prison and wont be able to pay for their service

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 3 points 17 hours ago

I'll remember that for next time.

[–] Qwaffle_waffle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 17 hours ago

Especially if you are planning to.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 12 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, my current ISP has two choices on phone: 1 for contract stuff, 2 for technical support. 1 always has at least 5 minutes waiting time, while 2 usually has none. Choices were made.

[–] prex@aussie.zone 7 points 16 hours ago

On a new service I like to mash the # key a couple times. Sometimes it skips the options & puts me in a queue for generic customer support.

[–] Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zone 118 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I self-solved my HP problems by never buying from HP again. I love my Brother printer. Don't any of you dare quote stories about Brother enshittifying stuff in the replies (I will cry).

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Brother has started selling printers that require an ink or toner subscription. I had to watch out for that last time I bought one.

Even if they get worse, I'm sure another brand will take their place.

[–] USSEthernet@startrek.website 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I just bought an MFC color laser printer of theirs, first thing I immediately did was block it from connecting to the internet in my firewall. I guess I'm lucky it still has an older fw version installed. Hopefully I can buy 3rd party toner, I guess I'll have to wait and see.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

For me the solution is simply to just not own a printer. I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to print something in the last year. Anyway that's what parents are for, their house is where you store things you only occasionally want.

[–] 5too@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago

But doctor... I am the parent.

Seriously, half the stuff that we print is coloring pages.

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[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 20 hours ago

I assume every large company and bank (big or small) does this kinda shit on the regular

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 77 points 1 day ago (3 children)

"influence customers to increase their adoption of digital self-solve"

Corporate speakers should be paddled

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sounds like a great way to increase their adoption of a competitor’s product

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[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

Translation: "We've had our fill of screwing you around for today and invite you to cordially go screw yourself."

When it comes to HP, just say no.

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 33 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yes, because the #1 thing everyone wants to hear over and over is a voice saying "go to double u double u double u dot..."

This is the fucking 21st century if they could fix their shit on the internet they would have already done it.

Especially pisses me off when the only reason you're calling them is because their website /portal / app explicitly went "you can't do that here, call us"

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 11 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Even better than that is Siteground's absolutely abysmal support system.

In order to access support they force you to type your question into their chatbot first. This is not optional. It's the only way to get support.

Fools that we are, we actually tried the solution the chatbot offered. This resulted in a good amount of time wasted looking for settings that didn't exist, because the solution was total bullshit. They claim they've customized this thing to give helpful outputs, but it's clearly just ChatGPT with a custom prompt.

When we finally spoke to an agent I pointed this out and they responded with the stock "You should always double check the output of AI" line.

DOUBLE CHECK WITH WHOM, YOU MOUTH BREATHING MORON? THIS IS YOUR OFFICIAL FUCKING SUPPORT CHANNEL. YOU LITERALLY DIDN'T GIVE ME ACCESS TO ANY OTHER KIND OF SUPPORT UNTIL I USED THE CHATBOT FIRST, SO WHERE IN THE ACTUAL FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO DOUBLE CHECK THE OUTPUT?

Is it with a customer service agent? Is that what you're saying?! That I should ignore whatever it tells me, wait until I can talk to a representative and then do whatever they say instead? Because if that's the case, WHY IN THE FUCK ARE YOU FORCING EVERYONE TO TALK TO THE BOT FIRST??!!!

Absolutely fucking asinine idiocy. Anyway, don't use Siteground, they fucking suck.

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[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah ran into that a month or so back with some service or other. Account was locked out, I told the prompt I was looking for an account unlock, I got to listen to “you can do most things by logging into your account at” for 45 minutes.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 23 hours ago

Online banking does this all of the time. It's surprising how little you can actually do on their app, virtually every common banking task requires you to call them.

I had to call them to set up an automatic payment on my credit card from my savings account. Because I couldn't work out how to do it on the app. I confirmed with the support agent that you can't do it on the app.

[–] hateisreality@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have found that if I yell or sound angry at the LLM prompt, I'll get an agent faster than if I am a proper adult

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you swear or use certain words/phrases/tones there are absolutely some that put you into a higher priority queue. There are also some that immediately kick you into that queue the moment you swear, bypassing any info gathering and such.

I’ve had to use it for things like Verizon which absolutely expects the LLM to be able to verify your account, but their account verification was broken. Swear at it a little and suddenly the account verification is no longer needed.

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[–] Crookclaw@lemmy.world 79 points 1 day ago (2 children)

While hilarious, that's more than a year old...

[–] criss_cross@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well shit. I saw it on hacker news and thought it was recent.

My bad for not paying attention.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

To be fair, if you got on hold with HP support on the day the article was published, you'd still be onhold today.

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[–] hateisreality@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fuck these companies that refuse to provide customer support and try to force us on inadequate bullshit llm answers, if I didn't want a solution I would use them.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago

One of the first things I do now before buying off a new site is see if they have anything resembling customer service and support policies.

[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I did tier 1, 2, and eventually some 3 support back in the day for a software company. I liked how they handled it.

Customer called in, reached a live person doing intake. The intake person noted their question and callback number, helping to scope the problem if needed, and entered a ticket into the queue. The intake person gave the caller an expected wait time for a support tech to call back, pointed them to online written help documentation, and ended the call. Then push the ticket to tier 1, 2, 3, or "urgent, need to call NOW" queues. Depending on tier and call volume and time of day, they'd get a callback from a tech anywhere from immediately to the next morning.

Support techs like myself were coached to help over the phone, but also to point out the written materials and encourage their use. I would commonly say, "sure, that's a problem we can fix, go ahead and go to screen x, click on button y, etc. By the way, you're not the only one who had had this question, we even have an entry on this in our support documentation. Let me show you where you it's at so you can get to the fix even faster than a phone call next time".

Having the intake person take numbers, then techs call back later saved customers from having to wait on hold for lengths of time. We had very few cases of irate customers stuck waiting.

My shittiest experiences are the companies that don't do any intake and make all tiers of calls wait on hold in the same queue. Luck of the draw if the tech you end up with is a tier 1 still in training pants or a tier 3 pissed to be walking a customer thru updating their password for the millionth tim.

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I feel like a lot of companies don't do things the good way not because the good way is hard, or the bad way is cheaper, but because management is stupid. Stupid or sometimes apathetic.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

Having run a couple support teams, I get where they’re coming from with the wait time.

Every minute my team wasn’t spending helping customers was spent updating the knowledge base. We invested a ton of effort into it, and 90% of the tickets were answerable in the first interaction with a simple search.

But getting people to actually read the docs was impossible. And maybe if we made them wait they’d get frustrated

But that’s not very nice to your customers or the agents.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

I can guarantee making them wait won't make them read if that wasn't their first choice to begin with. All you're doing is making them angrier for when they finally do get connected to a person.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

When I started at one company I put together a text file with all the different sources of info I found in training. By the end of training I had turned it into an HTML file. Years later we got bought out. Support from corporate disappeared on legacy customs who hadn't moved over to new stuff.

A coworker tapped me on the shoulder "If I were to make a local network web server on one of these computers could I upload your help system to it for everyone to use?"

Next thing you know I'm the default source for all information on every system that has ever existed. Prior to that everyone knew that I had it all in my brain but only a handful of people knew that I also had it all in HTML.

TL;DR I built a pirate help desk knowledge base.

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[–] khendron@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nobody hates their customers like HP hates their customers.

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