Once again: if paying for it isn't owning it, then not paying for it isn't stealing it.
this post was submitted on 02 Dec 2023
26 points (96.4% liked)
Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ
54669 readers
417 users here now
⚓ Dedicated to the discussion of digital piracy, including ethical problems and legal advancements.
Rules • Full Version
1. Posts must be related to the discussion of digital piracy
2. Don't request invites, trade, sell, or self-promote
3. Don't request or link to specific pirated titles, including DMs
4. Don't submit low-quality posts, be entitled, or harass others
Loot, Pillage, & Plunder
📜 c/Piracy Wiki (Community Edition):
💰 Please help cover server costs.
 |
 |
|---|---|
| Ko-fi | Liberapay |
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
That's why the term piracy exists.
In German we say Raubkopie which translates to "robbery copy". It sounds metal but linguistically puts it right next to actual robbery which is kinda insane.
That's why I call it Raubmordkopie
Raubmordkopie
Robbery murder copy? (at least thats' what google is telling me 'mord' means?)
Raubmord is what we call a murder resulting from a busted/discovered robbery, essentially just escalating the consequences of the robbery further.
What I think OP is getting at are the absolutely ridiculous penalties you get for "stealing" something that physically doesn't exist in a way we can grasp and cannot be reported mssing once "stolen". I'd probably guess you'd be easier off actually stealing a movie from a store selling blurays than downloading it and getting caught so the renaming OP did fits perfectly imo
Ah so if I go rent a Lamborghini for a day that means I own it and don’t have to give it back?
If you buy a Lamborghini and they have the ability to later decide you don't actually own it and take it away, that's the equivalent. I don't know why you brought up renting. Renting was never mentioned.
If you knew anything about digital purchasing you’d understand why u brought it up.
When you “buy” a digital tv show or movie you’re not actually buying it, you’re purchasing a license to use it, a license that can be revoked, for content that can be removed.
I swear most people have no idea how digital ownership works. I expected more from people on here at least.
The equivalent would be that you pay a million for a Lambo which is just an indefinite license they can revoke at any time. Renting isn't comparable at all.
We know how it, by your definition, "works." That's the problem.
We all know how it works. The problem is that's the only way it works. With a car you can choose to rent. With modern things you "purchase" it, and it only works as long as they want. You do have some alternatives for some media, but for games that's it. Even if you purchase a disk, the game only functions as long as they allow it.
Depends, did you literally get the title and agree that you were purchasing it from the last owner before he decided a day later that you were renting it and took it all back?
You don’t get that from buying a license for a digital movie/tv show.
Wasn't it Sony that released an album that'd root your system? Bunch of criminals if you ask me.
Wow that's even worse than I thought. Especially that they included copyleft software.
I stopped supporting Sony when they took away access to games I purchased for my PSP. I will not purchase another Sony product until I can play Patapon on my PSP go without pirating it.
Pon-pon-pata-pon!
IMO Piracy is completely justified regardless...
But that said, wouldn't it be the content owner rather than Sony (who is a third party platform) who is to blame for justifying it in this particular case? (based on the iamge here which seems to imply that the content owner is the one pulling the content rather than sony itself).
Dn't get me wrong, not saying the situation is good. or that Sony is a good company. Only that they don't appear to be the ones instigating this move unless I am missing some other info. FWIW, I lost all hope in the idea of a pro-consumer way of doign streaming content ages ago and have been flying the black flag for years so I guess this just doesnt seem like aynthing new to me. I willntt even consiedr paying for netflix, prime, disnet, hbo, hulu, or whateve else. Maybe if they stop being greedy fuckwits and come up with a something fair for consumers I'll consider but until then, fuck the loto f them.
edit: fixed a tpyo
Sony has always treated its customers like absolute trash from the get go. As a kid, I had a stereo that ended up dying. They weaselled out of the warranty. Flash forward to my Sony headphones where one ear died and they did the same. Forward again to my Ericsson phone whose screen died due to “water damage” (the markers were triggered by a friend who worked in their repair department said all phones on high humidity zones were always triggered because back then phones weren’t even dust proof). They sent it back refusing to fix it.
Since then they have been on my embargo list. One of the worst companies for caring about their customers.
🖕
I still remember the Sony BMG copy protection rootkit scandal.
Yeah another stellar case in point to show Sony would rather you eat glass than have to do anything for you.
Let’s not forget the ridiculous court case against Geohotz for jail breaking the PS3. They pulled out every dirty tactic they could in that suit. Really showed their colours and how they actually “fight” in the court of law.
Scum of the earth.
My last straw was when they killed OtherOS on the PS3, which was very much part of my purchasing decision. Sure, it was kneecapped from the start (Linux still ran under the hypervisor, could not use the GPU, and was only given 6 Cell cores), but it was there. At least I got a $60 check from the class action settlement!
Bunch of cocksuckers. I have not purchased a Sony product since.
You see, they wanted all the benefits of being able to use OtherOS in their marketing. But they didn’t want you to actually use it!
Basically. In Sony's case, they were clearly afraid of homebrew games, but I still can't imagine any other rationale than what you said for killing the feature, especially as neutered as it was. It definitely taught me a lesson about buying products that can't be kill switched after purchase. The US Air Force even built a cluster of 1700 PS3s that relied on this feature. I'm sure they weren't routable to the internet to get updates though.
Have to admit though, when it comes to quality equipment, they do take the cake. I've never had a Sony product break on me (except my walkman, but that was my fault 😂).
But, to be honest, I've never consumed anything but audio and video equipment from them (receiver amplifiers and TVs). Things may be different in other departments, including their PS department.
The ps1, PS2, and PS3 were all massively flawed hardware designs that broke en masse.
What do you mean by that? Hardware wise? Except for the optical media, I can't really see any hardware flaws...
Sony has always been an industry leader in consumer abuse.
If buying is not owning, then piracy is not stealing.
Years ago when I still bought music from Apple my entire library disappeared. I could log in, but nothing was there. I didn't bother with customer service, in an hour I had all my music back and it was mine.
What a crap take.
Edit: it's not because Sony steals(? I actually don't know but it was probably in something you signed so 'legally' not theft, but again, IDK. Shitty? Yeah.) stuff that piracy is justified. Piracy is justifidled by other moral means IMO. I don't need Sony (or Microsoft, Apple, or whoever) to help my morals when it comes to pirating.
I mean he rants too much but Luis point was that if you bought a digital product and the seller just randomly decides you don't get to access it anymore it's okay to pirate it because you've already paid for it. The original creators of said content already got their cut from you the first time.