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[–] Ottomade@lemmy.zip 20 points 4 days ago

Idk why people think the average user is going to go to Mastodon. I’m glad anything else other than Twitter or Threads is popping off.

Mastodon could have worked sooner if it was more approachable.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 33 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

If people moving from one corpo owned platform to another corpo owned platform gives you hope for the future of the internet: You haven't been paying attention to the history of the internet at all.

Once they have critical mass, the enshittification for profit will begin a new.

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

But it means people are still capable of caring.

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 138 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Lemmy does not understand that people are leaving X cuz of Nazis, not cuz it’s a centralized corpo platform.

[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Pretty sure a significant portion of nazis are also moving to bluesky

[–] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 5 days ago (5 children)

But on Bluesky you don't get them shoved in your face and there is culture of just blocking Nazis and moving on.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 points 5 days ago

Elon turned it into his own personal Nazi blog where people can't block him.

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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

People are leaving Muskrats fascist supporting platform. So what if they aren't going to Mastedon, they're leaving Twitter. Isn't that enough for us?

I don't need Mastedon to win. I just want Twitter to lose. Once Twitter has been (hopefully) de-platformed we can talk about Mastedon and the Fediverse and the idea of a non-corpo platform.

But it terms of main stream casual appeal, Mastedon still doesn't have it yet, and that's okay.

Mastedon needs to get more casual with the introduction to the Fediverse because for everyday non-tech people, it can be a little confusing.

People see Bluesky as the Twitter replacement because of its simplicity.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Once Twitter has been (hopefully) de-platformed we can talk about Mastedon and the Fediverse and the idea of a non-corpo platform.

BlueSky is as prone to enshittification as Twitter. If you're waiting for BlueSky to take off, you're just setting yourself up for the next rug pull.

I mean, go to BS and enjoy it while it lasts. But don't think this is the future.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 days ago (3 children)

They're leaving Musk, but they're not leaving his financial backers, and they're entering into the same kind of "possibly sold to a fascist despot at a moment's notice" situation they just left.

It's short sighted, perfirmative, and doesn't actually make the Internet better at all. It just tells us that people prefer a closed Internet owned by billionaires.

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[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Well said. Maybe there's more to do in the hardware, software and general computing training such that the layman could safely deploy their own Website like we used to be able to do. Then everyone could have their own servers at home like some of us do. True decentralized communication.

Lemmy would be great for dare I say it...church congregations for example. Schools, mechanic forums, unofficial student associations like alpha Kapa whatever. ETC. it's a momentous opportunity.

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[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 141 points 5 days ago (8 children)

I like Jason but he completely missed the boat on this one.

The active migration away from social media networks that are owned, controlled by, and distorted by the richest men and most powerful companies in the world to a decentralized platform that is not owned and controlled by billionaires is one of the more hopeful things to happen in what has largely been a bleak year for the human internet as AI slop infects everything and billionaires put their thumbs on the scale of what we see on social media.

He says this and yet jumps to Bluesky, a platform created by Jack Dorsey and now owned and managed by a crypto bro? You don't need powers of prophecy to see where Bluesky is headed.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 71 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Honestly I don't know what's up with the mass delusion about Bluesky being oligarch-free. It's understandable that most don't know or haven't looked into it, but then some folks that should know better are displaying the same ignorance.

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[–] zante@slrpnk.net 29 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

It’s very telling that all across lemmy this is being celebrated. Looks like most people completely missed the point.

I don’t myself like mastodon very much, but if you came to lemmy to stick it to the man it’s a bit silly to cheer on the next man, which is what bluesky is.

Twitter will remain a place for the Right and nut job grifters , probably absorb truth social and the others. bluesky will become the place for liberals and centrists who jerk each other off because they have a degree and gay friends and think they are enlightened.

Sorry , nobody asked for that rant .

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 31 points 5 days ago (15 children)

People aren't going to be convinced of social/communism overnight.

I celebrate the move to BlueSky as positive in that they are no longer propping up an apartheid tech bro who's now running a meme branch of US Government, and also because many of them are doing the thing they were scared to do before: leave. They now know how that feels and what it will be like rebuilding friend groups and such.

It's not the anti-corpo step many are deluding themselves to believe it is, but getting out of the muck and learning how to take the step to change something are both things I see as positives that can be guided to better things in the future.

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He says this and yet jumps to Bluesky, a platform created by Jack Dorsey and now owned and managed by a crypto bro?

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[–] dukethorion@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Why does everyone suddenly forget BSky was created by Jack Dorsey?

It's going to be another Twitter. Bring everyone in, AI scrape all the data, then sell when the climate moves too far in one direction.

Or is this like the Great Reddit Exodus, that lasted maybe a month?

[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 48 points 5 days ago

Bluesky is not great, but it's at least (for now) a better platform than X and the AT protocol is actually very well written. (For instance having a moderation service separated from the service that provides the posts I think is a hands-down better way to handle it than most ActivityPub servers having their admins handle all incoming and outgoing moderation)

Bluesky federation is just now getting started so it'll be interesting to see if it goes anywhere/where it goes.

[–] KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

OP has posted (and re-posted) about Bluesky about 40 times in the last 48 hours. I’m down voting every single one. Quit shilling for billionaires.

[–] DuckWrangler9000@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Are they a bot??

[–] eleitl@lemm.ee 36 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That decentralized and self-hostable platforms like Lemmy are fringe does not give me hope for the future of social networks on the Internet.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They don't have to have everyone on them to be good. In some ways it's preferable not to. Reddit was far better before the Digg migration, and we might already be living in the golden years of Lemmy and not even realize it.

[–] balder1991@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I don’t know, Reddit also has more niche communities that just don’t have enough people in platforms like Lemmy.

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[–] garretble@lemmy.world 60 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The CEO of Bluesky just posted they hit 17M users today after hitting 16M in the last 24 hours.

The juice is juicin'.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 17 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Threads, Blue Sky and Mastodon are at 292.8m mau vs Twitter’s 304m

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[–] frazw@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago

Anything which drives nails into the xitter coffin is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. Bluesky may not tick many people's boxes here on lemmy, but this migration shows that lots of people wanted to leave xitter but didn't see an option. Threads clearly didn't attract them, likely due to the owner. I hope it nothing else, Bluesky is a less toxic place and xitter and musk become less relevant. In the long run Bluesky may end up being another head of the hydra , but for now, it's not, and it may get people used to the idea of federation.

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I hope some of them come to the Fediverse. It's nice that only the curious ones will come.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think the smartest ones will. Really I don't mind an intelligent community like this one.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

So ppl switching from one VC-funded centralised corpo platform to another VC-funded (slitghly less) centralised corpo platform is a good thing?

big X

just because it's OSS doesn't make it good. The corp still hold all the power and might sell out, but at least they got free volunteers to program for them so the C-level could get more money!

(now don't tell me that Bluesky is "federated". They still hold all the power over site rules and moderation. The only little concession you get is that you are allowed to host your own data)

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think this time it actually has some teeth to it, even big famous artists like Lack are on blue sky now, my feed is looking pretty good daily now where before I had to wait a few days before checking it out.

[–] priapus@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago

A lot of the big accounts I follow have been reporting a huge loss in followers on Twitter and an even larger influx of followers on Bluesky.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago

Bluesky is VC-funded. Enshittification incoming.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 days ago (3 children)

quite the opposite for me. bluesky is a centralized platform owned by capital exactly like twitter, thus prone to the same issues.

migrating to bluesky instead of mastodon will just delay the problem.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Bluesky actually has content though. Unless all you want is linux and news.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

chicken and egg kinda problem. mastodon would have benefitted from the influx of users.

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[–] Meltrax@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Whhhhhhy?

This is the same thing. This is the exact same type of platform that will eventually go the same way. This is shooting yourself in the foot once, then aiming the shotgun at the other foot and pulling the trigger thinking that the bullet was a fluke the first time.

[–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (4 children)

To be fair Musk buying twitter and turning it into a Nazi propaganda site was kind of flukey.

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[–] scytale@lemm.ee 17 points 5 days ago

Because most people switching don’t know (or care) about the fediverse and decentralization. They are regular internet users who just want to get away from the cesspool that is twitter, so they go where other people are going.

[–] staticsoar@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Shame that it's another Capital-owned platform taking the spotlight. I'm not surprised unfortunately. We'll be in the same place we are now in 10 years.

I'm preaching to the choir, but mastodon is the better platform if you want more authentic community and conversation.

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[–] Modva@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago

I'm really enjoying Bluesky strangely enough, not normally my thing.

[–] witx@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

How does another social media ruled by a billionaire gives hope?

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 33 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Because it shows that a sizable amount of people are at least anti-nazi enough to move platform.

Yes, it would be nicer if they moved to mastodon, but nobody even knows what that is, nobody is there (classic chicken and egg problem), and people get confused by the whole "choose an instance/server" thing.

Is it not ok to have a small celebration of people moving to a better, more positive platform, even if it is far from perfect?

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